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Any thoughts on creating a similar phat bass sound??

Hi all

I am trying to make a bass sound similar to this one (Alex M.O.R.P.H - Photograph - Jonas Hornblad mix). It kicks in at 3.29

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=G2w-O3p8EKo

I am using NI Massive on Logic (I also have Vanguard but doubt it will sound as good on that)

Any thoughts on how to create this would be much appreciated

I'll bet there's many ways of accomplishing that style of texture, but here's the one that's worked for me so far:

First, realize that the grating, harsh, awesome grit that you hear in that bass isn't actually bass. They're mid's, mostly. Not much low end. Yeah there's lots of bass happening, we can hear it, but it's not in the chunky grit that you're diggin on. So go and make a bass sound you like, perhaps it's missing that grit, and that's fine. Just get that low end frequency content to your satisfaction first.
Now try adding in one more waveform.... Maybe one that looks sort of like this waveform. Note that the waveform is high amplitude for a tiny fraction of it's period.

Try out using a low octave so that this waveform oscillates relatively infrequently. Try out a few octaves to taste. It's that in-frequency that we can hear, the gap of silence between each transient, THAT'S the sweet stuff. Conversely, the more frequently this kind of waveform completes periods, the smoother it sounds. The gaps between the pulses are less audible the higher frequency it is. You don't want smooth. You want JAGGED. And you want that short, loud transient to be mixed loudly comparative to the other waveforms so you can really hear it grinding away.

As a visual reference, try out taking clips of songs with that kind of bass style, load them into your DAW or wav editor or whatever, and look closely at their waveform. You'll notice that they probably often have a short, high amplitude transient happening every .03 seconds(or .003, I can't remember how many zeroes), arbitrary to the rest of the waveform(which is perhaps saw/sine looking in comparison). That transient probably corresponds with the synth's oscillation period if you're in sync mode (you probably oughta be).

Hopefully I didn't abuse or butcher too many terms, there. And hopefully that made sense. I'm still comparatively new to this all myself.

All that said, I've heard lots and lots of versions of this texture that seem pretty uniform. Perhaps there's a more formalized way of getting this sound.

Btw whats with the username? A tad close to a certain high profile artist's moniker...

Cheers MOK - very detailed! I will have a bash this afternoon

What artist are you refering to? I was just being random with the name!

Why, Rex The Dog! Retro goodness.

If you have z3ta+, I've made a similar grating bass sound. Shit is sick and grating.

In general Z3ta+ has a good ability to create the sound your looking for along with some proper compression.

I'll post a sample from a track I used it on. And you'll see that sound probably actually came from tweaking Z3ta+.

http://soundcloud.com/kismetk/grating-bass

So post your method.

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Originally posted by MOK So post your method.

+1 i am also pretty interested in how you got that effect step by step.

Get a saw tooth waveform , set it to very low oct , eq it , filter it , dist it , .... just feed it and groom it and finally.. there you have it

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Originally posted by MOK So post your method.

Say please, maybe I will.

I made this sound November 2005 for a breaks/movie club scene type track. I tweaked a preset till I got that.

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Originally posted by MOK

I got nothing to prove, ya know? And i've already posted a sample that is pretty much the sound he's looking for and where he can find it. If he comes back to the thread i'll show him how to do it if my ears are correct and thats the sound he was looking for.

Yeak Kismet that is it - nice 1

Any details on how you made it would be much appreciated - I haven't got Z3ta+ though - I will use Massive.

Cheers for the help guys

fat bassline??



here's your phat basslines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPDSiL1nH0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdJ9R9rldyw

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Originally posted by rufus the dog Yeak Kismet that is it - nice 1 Any details on how you made it would be much appreciated - I haven't got Z3ta+ though - I will use Massive. Cheers for the help guys

I haven't spent much time with Massive. I can show you step by step how to get the sound if you had z3ta, so just pm me if you ever get it, its a great synth if you make Trance or Techy stuff. The basis of the sound is easy to make from scratch on every VSTi. If you want to try on Massive, get a couple Saw Oscillators, tranpose one of them down one octave and leave the other 2 at their normal octave setting. On the ADSR you want to have the release at 0, and attack at 0, and the decay and sustain and their highest or close to their highest. So when you hold down C4 its going to be one long saw cutting sound. Now the important thing is to know to add ARP's to a sound so you have the modulating and wobbling character to the sound. I dont use Massive and I dont know if it has an Arp feature, but just mess with it till you get it doing things to your base sound, you might end up with something you like more than the sound your looking for .

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