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Posted by dEsidEL on Feb-09-2009 01:49:

Read This! Toronto Middle-class communities disappearing


interesting study conducted by the UofT and published in today's Star... make sure you check out the interactive maps link in the main article. Notice the gentrified areas of The Beaches, King West, West Queen West, and Leslieville as well as the Jane-Finch and Scarborough suburbs..

article 1:
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/584203

article 2:
http://www.thestar.com/Article/584204

interactive map:
http://www3.thestar.com/static/Flas...iddleclass.html

PDF:
http://multimedia.thestar.com/acrob...78fae97bba0.pdf


Posted by The Highroller on Feb-09-2009 02:08:

Hmmm, interesting. It would be interesting to compare these statistics to Canada in general, or other major North American cities. I'm sure a comparison of Toronto and other major North American cities would yield similar results.


Posted by dEsidEL on Feb-09-2009 02:24:

quote:
Originally posted by The Highroller
Hmmm, interesting. It would be interesting to compare these statistics to Canada in general, or other major North American cities. I'm sure a comparison of Toronto and other major North American cities would yield similar results.



yes the article did mention that this is an emerging trend across major cities throughout Canada and not necessarily specific to Toronto


Posted by The Highroller on Feb-09-2009 02:28:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL

yes the article did mention that this is an emerging trend across major cities throughout Canada and not necessarily specific to Toronto


I always thought the trend of increased income disparity in North American cities has been known for a while. I guess it would depend on how you would define "emerging" though.

It is however interesting to see how this trend relates specifically to Toronto. That interactive map was really enlightening. I'm still looking at it, lol.


Posted by Pett on Feb-09-2009 03:46:

Love Poundin' Sensation

beaches.

hopefully i can afford to move back across those train tracks one day.


Posted by DigiNut on Feb-09-2009 04:14:

Clearly this means we need to raise taxes and start taking in a lot more East Asian immigrants.


Actually, being serious for a minute, it's pretty logical if you think about it. High immigration means more poor areas (they will be better off eventually but obviously they start poor), and an increase in the number of "rich" areas implies that part of the middle class is becoming more affluent, which again should not be surprising.

What is surprising is that they got some loony tunes analyst to say that it's a lack of affordable housing and job protection that's killing the middle-class neighbourhoods. Has this guy ever actually been to a municipal housing project?


Posted by malek on Feb-09-2009 05:44:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL

yes the article did mention that this is an emerging trend across major cities throughout Canada and not necessarily specific to Toronto


i don't have specific numbers for the middle class, but what has happened here is that the center has become more and more poor, while the families and rich(er) people continue to flee to the first and second ring of suburbs.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Feb-09-2009 13:30:

Its logical that new immigrants flock to the large cities where typically there is more opportunities for them. As Digi stated, they typically start out poor but given time they do move up the ladder.

Its not surprising that the middle class is shrinking within the GTA. The middle class cannot afford to live in the GTA, which is why most of them move to areas like Mississauga, Milton, Georgetown, etc. Those that have done well for themselves are no longer middle class.


Posted by Spam on Feb-09-2009 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Its not surprising that the middle class is shrinking within the GTA. The middle class cannot afford to live in the GTA, which is why most of them move to areas like Mississauga, Milton, Georgetown, etc. Those that have done well for themselves are no longer middle class.


Mississauga is part of the GTA...

Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughn, Markham, Richmond Hill, Pickering, would be the first suburban ring around Toronto, no?


Posted by Orko on Feb-09-2009 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Spam
Mississauga is part of the GTA...

Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughn, Markham, Richmond Hill, Pickering, would be the first suburban ring around Toronto, no?


Brampton would not be in the first ring.


Posted by Damerchi on Feb-09-2009 17:53:

this is not taking into account the growth of middle class in suburbs (like sauga and brampton) to compensate. toronto proper is less than half the population of the the official GTA.

interesting to see the Etobicoke snobby stronghold that survived the tests of time-i know a few verrrrrry bitchy girls from that area.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Feb-09-2009 18:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Spam
Mississauga is part of the GTA...

Mississauga, Brampton, Vaughn, Markham, Richmond Hill, Pickering, would be the first suburban ring around Toronto, no?


Sorry...I should have said Toronto Proper.

Those are all part of the first suburban ring...as you mentioned.

Personally, I see the same thing happening in this first suburban ring as you see happening in Toronto....it seems the middle class is geing pushed further and further away from Toronto. Some because of choice and others because of economics.


Posted by dEsidEL on Feb-09-2009 23:53:


they also mention that the middle class can disappear if their income stays the same and the average income of the upper class continues to climb, which in this case it has.

a growth in lower income areas doesn't always mean that more immigrants are moving into the area, but it certainly does contribute to a large degree.


Posted by Stilez on Feb-10-2009 01:55:

Did you all notice how on the map, Central Toronto has increased in $$ household capital over the decades? Gentrification at its finest.

In Toronto's early years, the rich considered Forest Hill, Rosedale, etc. the outskirts of the city. The TTC/subway only used to reach up to Davisville/Eglinton until around the 70's. The trend is that the middle class get pushed outwards creating Urban sprawl, but eventually once their capital increases, they realize that it costs more to do the daily transit from the outskirts to the core where their businesses are and eventually move back towards the core.



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