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How to avoid audio pumping?

So does anyone knows how to avoid audio pumping in songs? Cause i know my songs pump alot .

"Pumping" is a bit of a loose term, do you mean something similar to when you sidechain something ?

take it easy on the compressor

Re: How to avoid audio pumping?

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Originally posted by noicuc So does anyone knows how to avoid audio pumping in songs? Cause i know my songs pump alot .

Look at your attacks and more importantly the delays/reverbs for whatever parts of the "pumping" bother you. Make sure you're looking at your wave forms as well. I know what I've said is "no shit" kinda stuff but I always find myself puzzled over "no shit" type stuff. I couldn't figure out how to get a kick from a pack to play 4 on the floor the other day....LOL

take all your inserts out of the chain and redo your mixing from there. Make sure you don't have any inserts at all on your master track, that will only make things worse.

Work from scratch and only add inserts when you're absolutley sure you need them.

Apart from that, you might want to learn how and why to use a compressor.

delete your compressor and lower your volume

Choosing sounds that fit together and setting appropriate levels will lead to a much louder mix than making poorer choices and trying to achieve a "competitive level" via compression or limiting.

Very often, the low frequencies are much too loud. That was my problem for quite a while, trying to get this massive bottom end. If I'd referenced against my favourite songs more I'd have realised a lot more quickly how off I was.

I'm sure you've read it many times - cut all unnecessary low end out of the sounds that don't need it - if you cut those low frequencies away from the percussive elements, and lead sounds, and pads (there are no magic "always use this frequency" settings, since it depends on the kick and bass used in a given song), then the kick and bass will come through a lot more clearly, and seem a lot louder, without having to compress or EQ them.

Derail: Yes, low cut everything that isnt suppose to be bass, even if you dont hear much difference.

Pumping as in the "Sidechain" effect , its like a pad sidechained to a kick , only thing is here the entire song is kinda Sidechained , even thou i didn't sidechain anything at all!!


So what do i do with the attack? And i might want to try what derail suggests , although its really laggy here lol (512 ram , 1.66 x 2 ghz... lagtop..)

PS : Does anyone knows any comb filter vst?

do you have a compressor on the master out? Sure sounds like it. Take it away!

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Originally posted by Vizay do you have a compressor on the master out? Sure sounds like it. Take it away!

Yeah i have a compressor on the master.
Take it away? Then what happens to "Mastering" the song?

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Originally posted by noicuc Yeah i have a compressor on the master. Take it away? Then what happens to "Mastering" the song?

Having a compressor on the master bus doesn't exactly count as mastering.

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Originally posted by noicuc Yeah i have a compressor on the master. Take it away? Then what happens to "Mastering" the song?

You let someone who actually knows how to master do the mastering.

Sticking compressor on master bus != mastering.

Yepp, take it away, or at least change the threshold setting to compress only the worst peaks...

Cheers

and if you do put a compressor on the master channel do not compress the hell out of your song you will loose all the dynamics of the song and it will sound worse.

but as mrjivebojingles said get someone else to do the mastering.

Pumping is usually due to excessive compression/limiting so check those.

Also, double- and triple-compressing things (e.g., on the track, on the submix, on the master) can lead to pumping, depending on your settings, particularly the attack and release settings at each stage of compression.

for many different reasons it's just plain suicide to do the mixing and mastering at the same time. Keep the master clean untill the mixdown is 110% done.

It will only do harm to have that compressor there during the mixing.

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Originally posted by noicuc Yeah i have a compressor on the master. Take it away? Then what happens to "Mastering" the song?

Haha awesome. Seriously, stay away from the studio until you've read up on the basics.

A compressor isn't just something you can throw on and expect it to magically give your track perfect dynamics; you have to know how to use it, and even then, it's rare to activate one on the master track until the rest of the mix has already been done.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Haha awesome. Seriously, stay away from the studio until you've read up on the basics. A compressor isn't just something you can throw on and expect it to magically give your track perfect dynamics; you have to know how to use it, and even then, it's rare to activate one on the master track until the rest of the mix has already been done.

I guess your right then.... Im a really stupid mastering guy..

*Proceeds to delete Fruity Multiband Compressor*

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Originally posted by DigiNut Haha awesome. Seriously, stay away from the studio until you've read up on the basics. A compressor isn't just something you can throw on and expect it to magically give your track perfect dynamics; you have to know how to use it, and even then, it's rare to activate one on the master track until the rest of the mix has already been done.

is compression really that basic? i remember when i first started out i didn't know what it does, later on some engineer told me, but i don't see it as that basic... well, i guess things change over the years.. it seams now days people are way obsessed with getting a "pro" sound rather than having good tunes...

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA is compression really that basic? i remember when i first started out i didn't know what it does, later on some engineer told me, but i don't see it as that basic... well, i guess things change over the years.. it seams now days people are way obsessed with getting a "pro" sound rather than having good tunes...

is driving a car basic? is using a computer basic? how long is a rope?

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Originally posted by Vizay is driving a car basic? is using a computer basic? how long is a rope?

i think a better analogy would be if knowing what an alternator does is basic or how a HD work, or from what is rope fibers made of...

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