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Posted by Monocle on Feb-13-2009 16:35:

Moving abroad

I have pondered for a long time moving away from where I currently reside (Ottawa) to a foreign country (most likely european). If this were to happen, it would take place in quite a few years, but there's just alot of things I have no idea about when moving to another country. I have grown tired of this place lol it really does suck. The nightlife is next to non-existant, 4 months of the yr are plagued by a vicious fucking winter and the people here are all government employed fags who have never seen a party in their life. The atmosphere is just gloomy and nobody talks to anyone etc etc. I dunno, if you've lived in ottawa you probably know what I mean when I say there's really not much to it except parliament buildings.

This being said, I have come to the conclusion that living elsewhere could be far more beneficial to my overall well-being. So, let's say, hypothetically, that I was to move to ... Amsterdam or maybe... Berlin. What I'd like to know from you guys is what does a cross continental move like this entail? There's probably alot of things in this area that I'm completely oblivious to and so please guide me in the right direction. Things like citizenship and the like should be considered first I'd imagine. How do I go about leaving my country and beginning to live in another in that sense? Is there a bunch of hidden fees of sorts? Is it difficult to find employment? If I have a degree by then, does it apply in this country? Should I be sure to have a huge financial cussion when leaving? I'm not sure exactly what other issues can arise but I know they must be numerous. I'm kind of ignorant on this issue and would like some guidance! thanks


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Feb-13-2009 16:37:

Well, first you might want to think about learning the language(s) spoken in the place you're moving to.


Posted by StanVoid on Feb-13-2009 16:41:

why don't you just move to a real city in the states - that way you can experience all the activity that Ottawa is missing without having to move continents. Try new york, san francisco, austin, chicago, any of those will give you a more exciting life.


Posted by elFreak on Feb-13-2009 16:43:

stop being ignorant and inform yourself.

if you need your hand held to make big decisions like this (by strangers no less!), you probably do not have the tools to succeed at this. why not start by moving to another canadian city first? You don't need to have immigration hassles (they don't just let anyone move in you know, immigration is a long and arduous process that does not guarantee being accepted),if stuff like partying is what you base your decisions on. There is more to life than that, but when you grow up a bit, you will realize this.

Also save money, you are going to need a lot of it to be even considered
for a resident visa (especially in germany).

unless you have 500 000$ in the bank or an employer willing to vouch for you aka hire and sponsor you, you can forget about a US green card. It is harder for Canadians to get this than those from poor countries.


Posted by Vivid Boy on Feb-13-2009 16:49:

moving a broad is easy. Take the chris brown approach


Posted by on Feb-13-2009 17:24:

In order to get a German Visa you must read and take a test on Mien Kampf. Never learn the language of the country your moving to, it is seen as a sign of subservience. Ignore elfreak, he's messing with you. Bon voyage!


Posted by elFreak on Feb-13-2009 17:28:

he is right.

make sure you mention Hitler ALOT, the Germans are proud of ww2 and it will fast track your application. Also make sure you tell them that the holocaust was a myth...yo.


Posted by on Feb-13-2009 17:30:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
Also make sure you tell them that the holocaust was a myth...yo.

Sadly that now only works for an Iranian Visa.


Posted by elFreak on Feb-13-2009 17:31:

Kazakhstan too.


Posted by squirrelly on Feb-13-2009 17:43:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
stop being ignorant and inform yourself.

if you need your hand held to make big decisions like this (by strangers no less!), you probably do not have the tools to succeed at this. why not start by moving to another canadian city first? You don't need to have immigration hassles (they don't just let anyone move in you know, immigration is a long and arduous process that does not guarantee being accepted),if stuff like partying is what you base your decisions on. There is more to life than that, but when you grow up a bit, you will realize this.

Also save money, you are going to need a lot of it to be even considered
for a resident visa (especially in germany).

unless you have 500 000$ in the bank or an employer willing to vouch for you aka hire and sponsor you, you can forget about a US green card. It is harder for Canadians to get this than those from poor countries.


DING


Posted by Damerchi on Feb-13-2009 18:07:

pay your way into sweden with no documents. then claim your life is in danger in your home country for political reasons. this will require you trying to pass off as if you were from a country that is in shits, so learn the language and go for it!


Posted by pmoisse on Feb-13-2009 18:17:

I moved to Amsterdam from Montreal almost two years ago and love it (but I have dual Canadian & British citizenship)

If you're under 30, you can apply for a 1 year working holiday visa here in Holland which allows you to get a social insurance number so that you can work legally.

BUT! I don't think too many employers would look too favourably on only having you there for 1 year max (unless you have special skills that are in demand and they sponsor you). You'd probably be stuck working temp jobs / bar / restaurant service.

I'm not sure about Germany or anywhere else but they might have something similar.

Unemplyment is really on the rise too, though that gem of information is kind of hard to miss these days wherever you are.


Posted by Stasis on Feb-13-2009 18:22:

How old are you? Maybe consider studying abroad first


Posted by gehzumteufel on Feb-13-2009 20:07:

The only thing I can suggest, don't bother if you have no education.


Posted by Banora on Feb-13-2009 20:26:

...Yeah good luck with that.


Posted by sweds00 on Feb-13-2009 20:38:

move to Victoria BC:
-In Canada
-Golf year round
-Close to Vancouver,Whistler and Seattle
-Pacific time zone(HNIC starts at 4:00 FTW)
-On the Pacific Ocean
-Tofino is just a drive away
-Good party town


Posted by Monocle on Feb-13-2009 20:38:

lol I love how no matter the topic, every thread in this fucking forum is always laced with the utmost cynicism. ANYWAY like I said this is years down the road and I just wanted to see if anyone had done it/known anyone who had done it and could offer some advice and what not. This isn't a "I'm leaving to amsterdam next week, anything I need to know?". It's all purely hypothetical, years down the road, and there's a high possibility it will never go down. Also, this isn't about partying, it's about more than that, only partying definitely helps. It's more about being drawn to a different culture and state of mind. Freak, I'm looking for somewhere that has a certain "joie de vivre"... it's inexistant in my hometown. And like I said it's all puerly hypothetical for me, so just give me what you know and leave the "how young and stupid are you?" out of it


Posted by elFreak on Feb-13-2009 20:45:

move to montreal then...it is cold but fun.

you don't even have to wait a few years for that you big fucking baby.


Posted by Banora on Feb-13-2009 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Monocle
lol I love how no matter the topic, every thread in this fucking forum is always laced with the utmost cynicism. ANYWAY like I said this is years down the road and I just wanted to see if anyone had done it/known anyone who had done it and could offer some advice and what not. This isn't a "I'm leaving to amsterdam next week, anything I need to know?". It's all purely hypothetical, years down the road, and there's a high possibility it will never go down. Also, this isn't about partying, it's about more than that, only partying definitely helps. It's more about being drawn to a different culture and state of mind. Freak, I'm looking for somewhere that has a certain "joie de vivre"... it's inexistant in my hometown. And like I said it's all puerly hypothetical for me, so just give me what you know and leave the "how young and stupid are you?" out of it


I've known plenty of people who have done it, and its VERY hard. I can't stress that enough. From being on the other side (the EU citizen) I see and hear all the bullshit you have to go through. Its not like you can just pack up and move so easily. A lot, and I do mean A LOT of people fail at doing this.

You're also talking about moving to two countries who are notoriously difficult to become a citizen in. I'm fairly sure the UK is easiest (right now, anyway) and you should probably stay there first, become a citizen then branch out.

Why don't you do a work-study program in one of those countries? I can tell you vacationing there for a month or so is WAY different from living there.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Feb-13-2009 20:55:

Is moving to Europe from Canada really moving to a "foreign" country? I mean, if you're bored in Ottawa, you're likely to be bored in Europe too.

I vote N'Djamena, Chad. Get out and see the world.



It will certainly be more adventurous than moving from Ottawa to Manchester.


Posted by elFreak on Feb-13-2009 21:07:

adventurous in ottawa is supersizing macdonalds happy meals.

they really know how to live on the edge.


Posted by on Feb-13-2009 21:16:

He sounds like a whiny douche, who's unhappy with his life, but responds to advice with, "you don't understand" or excuses on why he can't do anything. Any idiot could figure out for themselves that large cities such as Toronto, Montreal, or Vancouver, would be more than adequate (at least for someone who's not a loser). But I'm sure you prefer the safety of pining away after some unattainable dreams that you'll never achieve.


Posted by jpisani on Feb-13-2009 22:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Vivid Boy
moving a broad is easy. Take the chris brown approach

hahahaha


Posted by tubularbills on Feb-13-2009 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Vivid Boy
moving a broad is easy. Take the chris brown approach


lol i was going to say something like that too - "make sure you have a firm grip on her waist...and make sure to lift with your legs, not your back."


Posted by thecreator on Feb-13-2009 23:32:

I'd say do it


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