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Tips for creating white noise sweeps and lfo sweeps

I'm looking for tips on creating some white noise sweeping type effects. Currently I use the maelstrom in Reason with the Pink noise oscillator sample and use the filters to create the sweeping effect. I want the sound to really change during the sweep though, like flanger or phaser effect or something (i.e. make it sound like a jet engine) however I find both these reason effects pretty rubbish as while some of the intended sound is created, often the sound is morphed too much and tends to also hit some aweful sounding points during the sweep. Hard to explain.

Same for LFO type sweeps, you know the 80's type archade sounds that are so affective in building up a sequence. Any tips on how to create these? Don't know how easy to explaing on a thread but thought I'd see what response I got.

cheers

I'm not sure whether it can be done in Reason, but a cool efect is that you modulate the sweeping by LFO and automate it's time...plus automate the cutoff

so the filter is opening smoothly and the LFO makes some sort of "vibrato effect" on the sweep going faster and faster ...

hope you understand

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Originally posted by BOOsTER hope you understand

Yup understand exactly what you mean. What VST instruments and effect plugins do you use to do this? Reason is the only VST I found with decent white noise.

I like white noise from V-Station...also it does great at this kind of effect I described

Reason is not a VST. But you can make good sweeps in it yes, and if u have v4 i would use thor instead of malstroem.

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Originally posted by palm Reason is not a VST.

Was typo. I know Reason isn't a VST but still wanting to know what VST's will make cool white noise sweeps so I can try in Cubase.

I do have Reason 4 though so will give Thor a try too.

The "jet engine" sound can be made with comb filtering.

I made a nice sweep in Reason, using the Subtractor. Only annoying thing is that it makes a distinct 'pop' when you sequence it, but then you get a nice sweep when you automate the filter. Just automate the fader, and voila

If you are interested, you can hear it in my Mypsace player...Shameless plug
Both the sweeps in that track are the same patch.

If you want a Combinator patch, let me know and I can hook you up.

rob papens predator has white noise waveforms, so you could set all 3 lfo's to white noise and then use envelopes to create the sweeps

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Originally posted by djandymac so you could set all 3 lfo's to white noise

I guess you mean OSC's .
But there is actually no use assigning 3 OSC's with white noise, because they have no fundamental, there is really no difference between 1 or 3, it only thickens the sounds (unison).

im not sure its possible to detune whitenoise lol, it sounds impossible to detune something without a tune. have never tried tho.

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Originally posted by palm im not sure its possible to detune whitenoise lol, it sounds impossible to detune something without a tune. have never tried tho.

It's easy, just sample your own white noise generator and then play it back at two (or more) slightly different pitches at once. Gives a kind of "phasy" effect:

http://www.philosophaster.com/music...tuned-noise.mp3

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Originally posted by djandymac rob papens predator has white noise waveforms, so you could set all 3 lfo's to white noise and then use envelopes to create the sweeps

Don't have predator but have Albino 3 so gave it a bash and yup, white noise with comb filter & envelope does the trick.

thanks for the help all.

I use FL for this, 3xOSC, a phaser and the X-Y controller, great sweeps

Automate the filter sustain with hi decay, low A & R on malstrom to create "jet engine" noises.

Before I knew how to get this effect (I finally found the white noise patch) I found a recording of a drillhead spinning at 150RPM and passed it through many effects with the pitch automated to scale up - and it came out pretty nice!

I'll edit this post with a link to the sample when I find it, I think thats dedication to FX!

NI's Massive has a dedicated white noise generator, which you can map to the envelopes for the sweeping FX (I think the Vanguard OSCs also have a noise option)

one word


MOOG.

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Originally posted by DJ John M one word MOOG.

...you sick cow!!

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Originally posted by DJ John M one word MOOG.

Actually, that are three words ...

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Originally posted by DJ John M one word MOOG.

If the Moog has Noise that is

+1 on FL and 3xOsc

So easy...

Thor is da shit, it's got all the noize generators you'll ever need. Try that instead of maelstrom.

Use the noize osc and change to the type you want, play with the distortion setting, choose the analog filter (maybe with some osc overdrive). Automate or route it to the filter env to get some action.

If you want a jet, just add another filter and use the filter (or modulate envelope if filter is taken) envelope with low attack to modulate the notch filter.

You can get pretty weird things using the superb comb filter @ high resonance and or formant filter.

Add some delay and you're set.

Or, record you microphone signal really loud into your DAW. Boost the signal with the amount of dB to get it to 0, play it out through your mixer and record it at the same time while you slide the fader up and softly turn treble, mid and bass to max...

Vintage style

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Originally posted by Subtle If the Moog has Noise that is

the moog has noise

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