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Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Mar-28-2001 01:55:

Um...has anybody read this article on the MSN homepage about the first "Napster-Proof CD"? Yes...the world's first CD that you can't rip, yet. Hopefully somebody finds out a way to rip it cause this will just suck if the industry starts to make all CDs like this. Go here to read the full article: http://www.msnbc.com/news/550565.as...=http://msn.com


Posted by Linx_da_cat on Mar-28-2001 02:03:

dude the always find a way to rip evvverything. they thought dvds were rip proof. wellll, they have dvd rippers and proggys to rip the movies too. duhh. hackers are always onnne step ahead!


Posted by RichieRich on Mar-28-2001 06:44:

Leave Us Alone!
To All the people who are trying to stop the SHARING of music!
I mean when all of us were kids our parents, teachers, taught us to SHARE. Now your teaching kids that sharing is bad. Do these people realize what they are doing to society? There is some stupid people out there. Worry about these kids who are bringing uzi's to school and opening fire on everyone.


Posted by Peter Campbell on Mar-28-2001 07:03:

Thumbs down

Think of it this way , all the songs you download on Napster cheats the artist of a income, not all of your favorite songs are big name artist,why don`t you go out an bye the Cd and give so of these people a break


Posted by tc-fan on Mar-28-2001 08:20:

Talking

i dont buy CDs cause one thing is they all come in a mix..i dont like mixes too much only live sets, also where i live the CDs are hard to get and they are sometimes expensive..Also i buy DVD,games,PC hardware,I got out etc...dont have enought to CDs....I dont know how trance CDs are but when i was into regular music (meaning not trance) i got tired of spending 15 bucks on a CD and there is only 3-4 good songs on it and the rest sucks..I got tired of it..


Posted by Dwingo on Mar-28-2001 09:54:

Music sharing can never be stopped. Pirates are always one step ahead of the music industry. Everything that has been said to be rip-proof becomes ripped a few days later. It's just the way how it works, and the music industry can do nothing about it. They pay a lot of money to make their cd-s rip-proof, but all this money is wasted because some wizzkid finds out a way to get around the protection, makes a programme or crack which can be understood or installed by anyone and the industry is back at the point where it started.

Personally I don't buy CD-s either, because it's like tc-fan said: Cd-s usually come in a mix, and I don't need that, unless it's a liveset. Any sad prick can do some studio-mixing. Good live mixing indicates the quality of a dj.

By the way: I still don't understand why Napster is forbidden and filtered and stuff. Most people download music to see if the CD is worth to be bought. If the music industry is against this: does that mean that the cd's they sell are so full of rubbish and are they afraid they won't sell any? Furthermore: mp3 is not a real copy of an original, because the quality is much lower.

Well, this is just my opnion. What do you guys and gals have to say about this matter?


Posted by Henkie_henk on Mar-28-2001 11:03:

LoL windows me was also crack rip or whatever proof.. guess not..

The new cd thingie will only be a new obstacle to be conquered by the hax0ring people.. Its actually fun and cool for them to do...


GreetZz


Posted by Linx_da_cat on Mar-28-2001 14:17:

*raises hand* me definitely gonna take on the whole ripping proof cd. hehehe.


Posted by mizzuno on Mar-28-2001 14:58:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Pete
Think of it this way , all the songs you download on Napster cheats the artist of a income, not all of your favorite songs are big name artist,why don`t you go out an bye the Cd and give so of these people a break



i agree but if u go to www.trance.nu and read the dj interviews, u will see that all of them have no issue with file sharing...these are real artists!


Mizzz


Posted by tu_face on Mar-28-2001 15:12:

Drunk Rip-proof.. my arse!

Bullshit... just have line out from ur stereo to line in on ur computer.. problem solved.

Windows ME & 2000 have hidden (and as of yet disabled) source code to delete mp3's after so many times uve listened to it... sucks eh? luckily they havent enabled this yet. Thus me never ever upgradin to anything but Linux

peace


Posted by TraNceFaN on Mar-28-2001 15:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Dwingo
If the music industry is against this: does that mean that the cd's they sell are so full of rubbish and are they afraid they won't sell any?


Thats a fucking good point...Musician is not a musician who gives a crap how much money he fuckinggets if the kids get his music off Napster.


Posted by tu_face on Mar-28-2001 16:25:

If u are truly in it for the music, u shouldnt care about whether or not u make money, u should care about whether or not u get heard... i know thats the way i look at it.

Its money-grabbing pop groups and others (like metallica) that have the problem, maybe they should open a trance-only napster lol...

peace


Posted by Dwingo on Mar-28-2001 17:29:

Well, the way it is going now, Napster will become a music-sharing programma that only allows downloads of songs that are not copyrighted. So when I search for a trance-song that contain's a word which is also in the title of a pop song, these shitty pop-tracks won't appear in the 'found-list.' Honestly, right now Napster is heading towards the right direction for us TrancEaddicts.

On the other hand: Once napster will start charging people for music-sharing through their servers, things will be legalized again. Guess I'll search for some alternative then.


Posted by tc-fan on Mar-28-2001 19:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Dwingo
mp3 is not a real copy of an original, because the quality is much lower.

Well, this is just my opnion. What do you guys and gals have to say about this matter?


I dont know about that...I compared 192 bitrate Mp3 with a CD and i cant a diff in quality..


Posted by mizzuno on Mar-28-2001 19:11:

quote:
Originally posted by trance[]control-fan


I dont know about that...I compared 192 bitrate Mp3 with a CD and i cant a diff in quality..


I've posted on this a couple times...mp3 is lossy compression that means no matter what the bit-rate u loose information!

Now whether u can tell the diff thats a different story!


MizzzUnO


Posted by cloudwalker on Mar-28-2001 20:17:

I play mp3s cut to cd in clubs and you cant tell the diference in the majority of cases, even with bitrates down to 128k.

It's right that we are taking from the hand that feeds us. If muso's dont get 'some' money for what they do, they won't be able to do it for much longer. As for the major labels...they can stick there major artists up their arse..most of them are only good because they've had 20million spent on them!! Exceptions to name but one, Eric Clapton..guitar god.


Posted by mizzuno on Mar-28-2001 20:36:

quote:
Originally posted by cloudwalker
I play mp3s cut to cd in clubs and you cant tell the diference in the majority of cases, even with bitrates down to 128k.

It's right that we are taking from the hand that feeds us. If muso's dont get 'some' money for what they do, they won't be able to do it for much longer. As for the major labels...they can stick there major artists up their arse..most of them are only good because they've had 20million spent on them!! Exceptions to name but one, Eric Clapton..guitar god.


most clubs have innacurate systems...a good system in a club costs megadollars and accurate and loud one is found probably only in europe...even so the club atmosphere is noisy so it doesn't matter...

Mizzz


Posted by juzfugen on Mar-29-2001 03:33:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
If u are truly in it for the music, u shouldnt care about whether or not u make money, u should care about whether or not u get heard... i know thats the way i look at it.


i hate to differ but if you are in it for the love of your music and you decided to make it your carrer you do care about the money because thats how you pay your bills. hence why i doubt pvd or tiesto or any other producer/dj makes their music for free and goes and plays these live events for free just because they love the music.now i'm gonna get off my high horse and go download some songs off napster


Posted by lexiconavenue on Mar-29-2001 03:45:

Thumbs up yessir. i do believe he's right.

quote:
Originally posted by juzfugen


...i doubt pvd or tiesto or any other producer/dj makes their music for free and goes and plays these live events for free just because they love the music.now i'm gonna get off my high horse and go download some songs off napster


amen, brotha...amen.


Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Mar-29-2001 04:20:

My main reason for not buying any CD here is because almost all of the electronica around here is imported & cost about 2 times as much as a regular priced CD (around $13). I'm not going to spend over $20 on a CD that might not even be that good. If the price would drop down to like $10-$15 then maybe I'd consider buying a CD every once and awhile.


Posted by tc-fan on Mar-29-2001 04:46:

quote:
Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
My main reason for not buying any CD here is because almost all of the electronica around here is imported & cost about 2 times as much as a regular priced CD (around $13). I'm not going to spend over $20 on a CD that might not even be that good. If the price would drop down to like $10-$15 then maybe I'd consider buying a CD every once and awhile.



hey i am with you man...Virgin Records has the biggest electronica section i have eva seen but they are all imports...I aint paying 25 bucks on a CD..


Posted by Dwingo on Mar-29-2001 11:04:

quote:
Originally posted by juzfugen

I don't agree with you about the money because thats how you pay your bills. hence why i doubt pvd or tiesto or any other producer/dj makes their music for free and goes and plays these live events for free just because they love the music


True, they need to pay there bills. But they also need to get paid to be able to buy new records, equipement and other stuff.


Posted by [A|ienFactory] on Mar-29-2001 11:21:

quote:
Originally posted by mizzuno


I've posted on this a couple times...mp3 is lossy compression that means no matter what the bit-rate u loose information!

Now whether u can tell the diff thats a different story!


MizzzUnO


You only loose information that a human can't hear.
Maybe dogs would complain....


Posted by Twilogoddess on Mar-29-2001 16:31:

Read the PVD interview

He's strongly against ppl downloading his muzik over the net. I understand what ur sayin, live sets aren't in stores. I actually prefer live sets but I went out & bought Out There & Back, Summer breeze. It doesn't make sense u'll pay $20-$40 to see ur fav DJ's but won't pay $20 for 2 cds?



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