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do you really need sidchain?
Do you really need sidechain to create that sound for trance. i downloaded sonar 8 demo to try it out for its sidechain capabilities but not too happy with it ,considering going back to my previous older sequencer ,but has anyone made a professional tune without sidechain post a samle and let us know how you created the sound without sidechain. (that ducking sound)
It can be done, but you'll need to add huge amounts of analog to compensate.
automate the level? use a saw-form lfo on amp with bpmsync. easy. i do it efects sometimes. i rarely use sidechain much except if the bass and kick is ruining stuff for each other.
Re: do you really need sidchain?
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| Originally posted by crazedonee Do you really need sidechain to create that sound for trance. |
No you dont need sidechain, approximately all tracks before 2003 did not have sidechain.
Ugh. It's just an effect that helps make sure the kick can still be heard in the mix. If you can't or don't want to use it, you just have to mix the track accordingly. But choosing to not use just for the hell of it would make you a douche. If it will give the sound you desire, use it. Otherwise, don't. It's that simple.
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| Originally posted by Haak It can be done, but you'll need to add huge amounts of analog to compensate. |
Well of course you need sidechain. How else are you going to cut trees with your supersaw?
all kidding aside, you don't need sidechain, you can always EQ if stuff is clashing with stuff, but if you want the pumpy feeling go sidechian.
I produce progressive house and trance, and I don't use sidechain. If you like that pumping sound from sidechaining, then use it. I don't really think it's necessary though. Like said here already, the main reason sidechain was used in the first place was to make it so the kick and bass could be heard clearly. That can be accomplished in other ways, with good kick and bass selection, a little compression, and sometimes EQing. It might be a matter of style though, I don't want a booming kick in my tunes, I like them low and deep. Sidechain is not mandatory for trance. In fact, it seems kind of old school to me. Also, seems to sometimes be used as an easy fix for a colliding bass and kick.
MrJiveBoJingles
im talking about the basslines with the kick.
Listen to Icone's material. Apparently he doesn't use any sidechain method at all in his productions. It sounds professional too.
Sidechain is not necessary if you know properly eq, I like to use it in lots of stuff, but i gone experimental and in this track I made I decided not to use sidechain:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...2&forumid=74&s=
(not my best production, but you can listen to check technically a typical old school trance sound without use sidechain)
You dont need it, but its one of the greatest mixing techniques. IMO
Knowing how and when to sidechain will help you alot!
Re: do you really need sidchain?
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| Originally posted by crazedonee i downloaded sonar 8 demo to try it out for its sidechain capabilities but not too happy with it, |
Lol Its gotten so bad artists sit around and decide wether they will sidechain because their kick will inevitably clash.... How about don't make your kick and bass clash in the firstplace?
Crutches are bad.
And where do you get this sidechaining only occured after 2003? side chaining is an automation effect where you cause one parameter to change based on an element of your song, such as the kick or bass or another parameter. People have been doing it since electronic music was invented. they didn't rape kick/bass side chaining untill 2003, but it makes no never mind as trance mostly died in 2000... :P
It is one creative tool amoungst many at your disposal. Also sidechain is not just for making sucking sounds. It can be used creatively to add some movement to a sound.
Still sounds good though
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| [i][b]Tourist listeners of trance mostly died in 2000... :P |
I know, most of my post was sarcasm. Because i have a hunch the OP was specificly refering to kick/bass compression. And this is used mostly for fixiing things, so the contention that "can trance be made without it" was kinda funny because it implies trance music as a whole is broken and needs side chaining to fix it.
As for pre-2000 that is imho when trance in general [trance/house/goa] was really good. I wouldn't say tourists lost intrest in 2000, id say they took over in 2000 
Not many make actual trance anymore...and i mean a loop that plays for 10 minutes.
Yeah i suppose but if you want never endin loops listen to some space ibiza type house. 10 mins of a bleep that sometimes has a delay on lol. I do understand all my fav tunes are pre 2001 at least but there is some great music around right now you just got to look
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| Originally posted by Sonic_c 10 mins of a bleep that sometimes has a delay on lol. |
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