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Traktor Pitch Resolution?

On Traktor 3 the default pitch resolution seems to be set at 0.1%, is this as low as it can go or can you change the settings to make it more accurate?

Does Traktor Pro have a better pitch resolution?

Would be nice to have the .02% pitch resolution that you get on the higher end CDJs; 0.1% seems ghetto!

Somebody..... Anybody....?

old school versions of traktor (around 2.0) has a higher resolution. everything after that is .1, period. the old version i had went in .03 increments if i remember correctly (this was 3+ years ago i think). i.e. 120.10, 120.13, 120.16, 120.19, etc. i think.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue old school versions of traktor (around 2.0) has a higher resolution. everything after that is .1, period. the old version i had went in .03 increments if i remember correctly (this was 3+ years ago i think). i.e. 120.10, 120.13, 120.16, 120.19, etc. i think.

How are all of these huge international DJs (ie. Hawtin) using traktor when it only has .1 pitch resolution. Obviously you can still mix with .1 but you have to do a lot of pitch bending as well. Especially when you have like 4 decks going, .1 just wont cut it!

Wouldn't it be easy for tracktor to increase the pitch resolution? Its software for christ's sake...

Hawtin slaves his decks to a master tempo, therefore no beatmatching is required.



People using Traktor as DVS software (e.g. Traktor Scratch Pro), are using their turntables or CDJs to beatmatch via the timecode CDs/vinyl.

Well in Traktor 3.4 the decks SHOWED pitch in .1 increments... but it was clearly just a display thing. Using timecode, it was DEFINITELY at least as accurate as the .02% increments of my CDJ-1000's.

Now when running with MIDI, you actually have crappy pitch resolution unless you use 14-bit MIDI. The latest Traktor Pro update (1.1.1) adds 14-bit MIDI support, so if you have a controller with high-resolution output you should have nice pitch resolution.

If not, you need to drop the range in the preferences way down to make things workable.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Well in Traktor 3.4 the decks SHOWED pitch in .1 increments... but it was clearly just a display thing. Using timecode, it was DEFINITELY at least as accurate as the .02% increments of my CDJ-1000's. Now when running with MIDI, you actually have crappy pitch resolution unless you use 14-bit MIDI. The latest Traktor Pro update (1.1.1) adds 14-bit MIDI support, so if you have a controller with high-resolution output you should have nice pitch resolution. If not, you need to drop the range in the preferences way down to make things workable.

i've yet to find a decent midi controller for traktor

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Originally posted by winston i've yet to find a decent midi controller for traktor

It's far from perfect, but the VCI-100 accomplishes practically everything you need, as long as you set up your TSI file for the buttons and knobs you want. Very basic, but useful. I've had trouble with getting Effects to work properly tho.

Edit: will post back after I try it out

Jay

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Originally posted by ziptnf It's far from perfect, but the VCI-100 accomplishes practically everything you need, as long as you set up your TSI file for the buttons and knobs you want. Very basic, but useful. I've had trouble with getting Effects to work properly tho.

can i swim with it?

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The latest Traktor Pro update (1.1.1) adds 14-bit MIDI support, so if you have a controller with high-resolution output you should have nice pitch resolution.

so are you saying the pitch reolution is based on the midi controller and not just part of the traktor software?

BTW I am midi-retarded.... what does 14-bit mean?

It's both.

Standard midi (created in 1983) allows values up to 7 bits to be sent. For a knob or slider, that means you can only transmit values from 0-127, which is why the precision is hard to work with.

14-bit midi is an extension that allows you to use much more granular values, but both the controller and the software have to support it.

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Originally posted by teufel-man so are you saying the pitch reolution is based on the midi controller and not just part of the traktor software? BTW I am midi-retarded.... what does 14-bit mean?

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 It's both. Standard midi (created in 1983) allows values up to 7 bits to be sent. For a knob or slider, that means you can only transmit values from 0-127, which is why the precision is hard to work with. 14-bit midi is an extension that allows you to use much more granular values, but both the controller and the software have to support it.

Thanks!

Do you know of a 14- bit midi controller off the top of your head? What about something like the xone 3d/4d?

anybody successed with it? how to get the perfect mix in this software? im planning yo buy it but not before this is solved.

The Xponent has a 14-bit pitch fader. The other sliders are 7-bit I guess.

I bet the new vestax vcm-300 is another one.

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Originally posted by teufel-man Thanks! Do you know of a 14- bit midi controller off the top of your head? What about something like the xone 3d/4d?

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Originally posted by palm anybody successed with it? how to get the perfect mix in this software? im planning yo buy it but not before this is solved.

Same here... thats basically why I started this thread! I've used traktor and the pitch resolution is basically the only thing I dont like about it; fairly big problem though, if you cant get a solid mix then the software is basically useless!

Theres gotta be a way to solve this! otherwise there wouldn't be so many international DJs using this software... I was hoping there was just some setting you could change to improve the pitch resolution.

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Originally posted by teufel-man Same here... thats basically why I started this thread! I've used traktor and the pitch resolution is basically the only thing I dont like about it; fairly big problem though, if you cant get a solid mix then the software is basically useless! Theres gotta be a way to solve this! otherwise there wouldn't be so many international DJs using this software... I was hoping there was just some setting you could change to improve the pitch resolution.

Honestly, I've been using for some time, and I've never had a problem with the pitch resolution, and I always perform long transitions (3+ mins). Add to that that I'm using multiple decks. No offence but, maybe you should just learn to mix properly?

(Hint: Use the pitch bend, it's not decoration)

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Originally posted by PutBoy No offence but, maybe you should just learn to mix properly? (Hint: Use the pitch bend, it's not decoration)

Dear asshole, I don't actually use traktor on my setup, I am using CDJs currently and I know how to mix/pitch bend properly...

one of my buddies has it.... and I am just getting used to how it works. The problem is, since the pitch resolution is poor, you have to pitch bend quite often, and the tiny ass pitch bending buttons on the VCM-100 are a pain in the ass, especially when you gotta use them every 5 seconds

Obviously I can do a 3-min mix on traktor, just with the current pitch resolution it takes a lot more effort than it should...

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Originally posted by teufel-man Dear asshole

Fine, offence was taken it seems. Sorry.

Anyways, I still don't have that problem. And no, you don't have to pitch bend every 5 seconds, at least I don't.

In either case, you can use the sync button, it's not illegal, regardless of what the people in here would have you think.

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Originally posted by PutBoy Fine, offence was taken it seems. Sorry. Anyways, I still don't have that problem. And no, you don't have to pitch bend every 5 seconds, at least I don't. In either case, you can use the sync button, it's not illegal, regardless of what the people in here would have you think.

I was using Traktor yesturday.... and when you have the beatgrids mapped out properly and use the master clock feature and slave thing, the beatmatching actually works out quite well. Its just like the 1 out of 10 song where for whatever reason, traktor cant seem to sync them up properyly, when you try to do it manually the poor pitch resolution makes it hard to get it right on and leads to you having to do a lot of pitch bending, and I find the pitch bending function on traktor pretty annoying to use... it isnt smooth like cdj1000s or anything... whatever maybe its just the controller I was using.

Regardless, it would still be nice to see the pitch resolution increased from .1 as this is the level of pitch resolution for low-end CDJs

Double Post.

I don't want to start a flame-war so I'll just say that, yes, a better pitch-resolution would be preferable.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 The Xponent has a 14-bit pitch fader. The other sliders are 7-bit I guess. I bet the new vestax vcm-300 is another one.

The VCI-300 is 14 bit.. and super precise ... locks down a mix all day long .

edit: i use the vci-300 just like cdj's .. after starting the track , i use the pitch slider to match. when i want to fine tune if the track starts drifting, i just rub my finger on the outside of the platter to speed up or slow down. adjust fader. done.

I would say the vci-300 pitch resolution is .02 - .05 . Once they are matched, I rarely ever have to adjust.

Jay

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Originally posted by PutBoy I don't want to start a flame-war so I'll just say that, yes, a better pitch-resolution would be preferable.

No war! I do agree that as a whole the current pitch resolution/beatmatching system works more than fine, just that for Traktor to be considered flawless, they should increase the pitch resolution as it would be helpful in certain situations.

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Originally posted by veezee The VCI-300 is 14 bit.. and super precise ... locks down a mix all day long . edit: i use the vci-300 just like cdj's .. after starting the track , i use the pitch slider to match. when i want to fine tune if the track starts drifting, i just rub my finger on the outside of the platter to speed up or slow down. adjust fader. done. I would say the vci-300 pitch resolution is .02 - .05 . Once they are matched, I rarely ever have to adjust. Jay

The theoretical pitch resolution of a 14bit fader with �8% would be something like 0,0009765625% if the fader really transmits all the 16384 possible MIDI messages, compared to the 128 possible messages on 7bit MIDI. �8% on a traditional MIDI fader would mean 0,125% pitch resolution, which isn't too good indeed. I didn't know about this 14bit MIDI before this thread, but I do hope it's coming as the traditional MIDI sure is too limited for current stuff.

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