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Same problem as Robby Rox

Hy guys...im intro trance since 2005...and started producing kinda like last summer..
my problem is that i can make a basic phrase of a track..like the middle of it...when the lead ,strings,bass,kick and so on...are mixed togheter...
im trying to work on a releasable track...and just in case
here is the link to what i did....
if anybody has any idea how i can improve my flow skills..like....how to change bethween phrases wile boosting the energy in it...and how to build up until i get to the middle part..

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i dont know if it works but i attached it to the thread 2.

Re: Same problem as Robby Rox

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Originally posted by andyvanhall if anybody has any idea how i can improve my flow skills

Practice. There's no other way.

I dont know what to say about this.

It doesnt sound too bad, but it could be you are stuck with this loop.

From my experience its best to start with the beginning of the track, and just introduce elements as you see fit.

This way you tell a story from the beginning instead of starting in the middle of it.

If that makes any sense.

yes it does...but...well thats how i was used to ...i prefer starting with the lead...but u make more sense ....
dunno thanks for the tip m8...and mr.mystery u are right from head to toe...practice makes perfect

sounds like your asking more about musical modes and progressions then you are about technical questions.

honestly just try this trick, its not meant to be taken seriously other than to get your brain working.

if you have a track you really like that has similar elements to your own load it in track 1. make little notes, bars 1-16, kicK & snare, 17-32 introduction of hi hat, 32 bassline, etc. copy it with your own record, see how your favorite track progresses and add the elements to your own. To be honest most tracks follow the same pattersn of layering instruments its just a matter of having it make sense in your head.

so just mute track 1 on & off and make notes of how this one producer used his elements to progress his song, you might be surprised and come up with your own ideas to progress. Some people like introducing pads before lead some the other way around. Some like to show all their cards at 1min, others like to wait. You really won't find our footing until you understand your track & others arrangements well enough.

god work is boring today lol

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Originally posted by Subtle I dont know what to say about this. It doesnt sound too bad, but it could be you are stuck with this loop. From my experience its best to start with the beginning of the track, and just introduce elements as you see fit. This way you tell a story from the beginning instead of starting in the middle of it. If that makes any sense.

i disagree here. arranging too early with no elements is dangerous. i work with the "busiest" part of the record then its easy to strip it down for the introduction

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 i disagree here. arranging too early with no elements is dangerous. i work with the "busiest" part of the record then its easy to strip it down for the introduction

Yeah i know alot of people do that.
It rarely works for me, i have to vision what is going to come next.
After a couple of hours work i already got a 5-7 minute sample of my track. Then i just feel what to add next.

antony thats my way to....but u know critics are very helpfull....i usualy get blank...when i try starting with the beginin....but never pushed it to hard...tryed once or 2 times and did not work...but i really have to practice that mode to...
anyway thank you for your replyes...and by the way...yes my problem is progression just forgot the technique yes so time will tell after all...
just tell me...anthony...does what i did..sound to you like a known track..so i can try your method to?

i'm at work, will listen tonight when i get in the studio

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Originally posted by Subtle Yeah i know alot of people do that. It rarely works for me, i have to vision what is going to come next. After a couple of hours work i already got a 5-7 minute sample of my track. Then i just feel what to add next.

Yeah, I normally tend to work from the 'meat' of the track first with all elements included and then work my way backwards to the intro. I guess there's no right or wrong way on how to devise your track, just your own way.

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Originally posted by DJ_Eternal Yeah, I normally tend to work from the 'meat' of the track first with all elements included and then work my way backwards to the intro. I guess there's no right or wrong way on how to devise your track, just your own way.

The good thing about the way I work, is that I can always change the direction of the track.

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Originally posted by Subtle The good thing about the way I work, is that I can always change the direction of the track.

Well that's true . To be honest, I try not to rigidly stick to a particular formula just to keep myself interested in the track I'm working on at the time. It's always nice to educate myself on different ways to devise and produce.

If I work from the middle out, I occasionally find myself getting a little tired of hearing what's meant to be the most exciting part of the tune, especially if I'm looping to EQ etc etc, and I end up disbanding an unfinished track altogether that perhaps might have had potential.

Typically, what I'll try to do is work the song into a corner, that really doesn't seem like there is any more progression to work with. Then, I kind of intuitively work my way out of it. I'm probably making it sound easier (or flakier) than I mean to, but what I do is kind of ask, "What does this song want?" If I'm frustrated, the answer never comes. If I'm patient, however, I always find a solution.

Sometimes, in this regard, my ego can get in the way, a bit. I may have a track of music that I am particularly attached to, in the over-all song, that just doesn't fit in with the rest of it. It's probably something technically brilliant (that I think of as such, at least) but just isn't working with the rest of the music. I'm often surprised at how when I get rid of that thing I thought the song couldn't do without, how easily the rest of the pieces fall into place.

Of course, there's no substitute for practice. Sometimes I'll set up a simple loop, just to work out my fingering or jam on the keyboard with. It's fun and you can experiment a lot, that way.

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