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Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 05:57:

We Actually Have It Pretty Nice

So, I was in New York a couple of weeks ago to see my friend at NYU and catch some shows.

Opera really isn't that bad compared to these New York places apparently. Webster's Hall and Pacha make Opera look the Utopia of clubs.

Ferry @ Webster's Hall

Read that thread for an impression of Webster's Hall...sounds like the sound system and lighting are top notch...but wow...the staff and over all environment would probably make Dante cringe.

Not to say all of NYC's clubs are bad, because Club Love was pretty fucking sweet.

Just wanted to say...Opera is apparently not that bad.


Posted by iammesol on Mar-05-2009 06:08:

But Webster Hall has good sound...


/argument.


Posted by Seppuku on Mar-05-2009 06:45:

New York gets a lot more talent that there is currently no market for in Atlanta.


Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 06:55:

Sound quality is important...but I ono, the staff is stealing money (taking tips as they see fit) and making fraudulent charges on people's cards...


Posted by Dream Beamz on Mar-05-2009 10:36:

yeh, dont go to Webster's Hall and Pacha, only go to one offs at Roseland if you want to have a good time (plan your trip around this place if you plan on going to NYC for a party), or if you want to have a safe underground feel then Love is bad ass.


Posted by Poplife on Mar-05-2009 16:57:

BLASPHEMY...have you been to PACHA...your telling me opera is better than a club that has been voted best club in the WORLD 2 years in a row??? please make sense to me!


Posted by iammesol on Mar-05-2009 18:17:

And we conveniently leave out Cielo and The Bunker?


Posted by enydo on Mar-05-2009 19:36:

I haven't even been to a club in NYC but I'd be willing to be The Bunker and Cielo own Pacha so hard.

Fuck guidos.


Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 20:13:

Pacha of NYC was voted best club 2 years in a row?

Wow.

I wouldn't call waiting 45 minutes for a water bottle, 45 minutes to go pee, and being groped by security and charged $13 a drink a good club.


Posted by enydo on Mar-05-2009 20:19:

Megaclubs != good clubs.

Smaller, intimate settings are far more entertaining and enjoyable.

Every once in a while going to some huge show at a megaclub would be fun, going out to those kinds of places all the time... no thank you.


Posted by Scottaculous on Mar-05-2009 20:27:

Sounds like a typical night at any super club. As I got older my tolerance for overcrowded, poorly ventilated, expensive, and rude clubs has become nonexistent. Expect the same to happen in Club Space in Miami or anywhere. It's not a NYC thing. I guess people need to be fucked up to put up with that crap. Tbh, the NYC club scene died when Twilo became Spirit, Limelight became Avalon, and Sound Factory became Pacha in the early 2000s.


Posted by iammesol on Mar-05-2009 21:31:

The only time I've ever had fun at a superclub like Space Miami or Opera was when I didn't deal with the staff. Yes, I had the time of my life on the Terrace for Prydz sober as a bird.


Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 21:59:

Ya, I know Miami and LA and like every place with a big club has been reduced to this.

I just wanted to point out, how I've really hated Opera ever since it became Opera, but in retrospect...it really hasn't become that bad when compared to Space or Pacha or Avalon.


Posted by enydo on Mar-05-2009 22:03:

I haven't been to Opera in pretty much exactly a year from the Digweed date (last time I was there was Danny Howells), they added anything new an exciting? Improved the sound at all?


Posted by Poplife on Mar-05-2009 22:31:

yeah dude..but saying any club in atlanta is better than pacha is rediculous...pacha has decent bottle prices...if you dont wanna wait on drinks you can just get a group of friends together and buy a table..simple as that...they have 5 floors!!


Posted by Alex_Wang on Mar-05-2009 22:42:

I'd like to nominate Mansion (Miami) as worst "Great Club" in existence.


Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 22:43:

Only thing Pacha has going for it is it's open until 6, and since it's in New York, it gets bigger, better talent on a better sound system.

Definitely nice features, don't get me wrong.

But wow, if Opera had a nicer sound system and could stay open for a couple of more hours. I'd probably not even hesitate in choosing it over the big Miami/NYC clubs.


Posted by Poplife on Mar-05-2009 22:49:

i agree...only problem is it doesnt..an neither does any other club in atlanta...im mean shit...even my club (the mark)...we have great sound but we are limited to what we can do so that rules us out...but still...at the end of the day...you cant enjoy electronic to the fullest without good sound and light...so to me..if you dont have those 2 things...your club is worthless to me...


Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 22:56:

Sound system is the most important thing, no doubt.

Honestly can't remember if Eleven50 had bad sound or what...but Opera definitely does. And it's why I basically hate Opera.

But sacrificing sound quality so the staff doesn't steal money from you and treat you like complete shit...


Posted by iammesol on Mar-05-2009 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Poplife
if you dont have those 2 things...your club is worthless to me...



Posted by Poplife on Mar-05-2009 23:12:

fyi bro...bartenders steal at every club...they have been since the first bartender....there are small tricks to getting your drinks faster at nightclub..tipping well is a good start..normally tip big on your first round..and then just keep tipping a little bit every other drink...they will see that...you gotta go where the money is..just human nature...you dont have enough money? well..hate it for you..thats life...survival of the fittest...i personally prefer small intimate venues...i think CIELO is the best club in new york hands down...only one bar there though so yeah..lol...it is what it is...


Posted by trancension on Mar-05-2009 23:20:

Bartenders always keep the whole $20 for a $13 drink? Charging your card multiple times even though you never bought that stuff?

Since when?

I know bartenders will rip you off with the quality of your drink...but to physically take the money without permission?

I always tip well, once I get to the bar, I never have a problem getting a drink, at any club. In New York though, you can't physically get to the bar because of the crowd of douche bags. Once you get to the bar, sure they serve you. But they physically steal your money. They don't rip you off. They actually steal from you.


Posted by Poplife on Mar-05-2009 23:27:

yeah thats another thing....cant really say anything cause ive never had it done to me...bummer...there is always something shady going on..the reality is you cant expect much from this industry...and like i said..it is what it is..lol


Posted by Dj Dizzy on Mar-13-2009 18:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Scottaculous
Sounds like a typical night at any super club. As I got older my tolerance for overcrowded, poorly ventilated, expensive, and rude clubs has become nonexistent. Expect the same to happen in Club Space in Miami or anywhere. It's not a NYC thing. I guess people need to be fucked up to put up with that crap. Tbh, the NYC club scene died when Twilo became Spirit, Limelight became Avalon, and Sound Factory became Pacha in the early 2000s.


i'm on the same boat. i only go out to events 2-4 times a year the past couple years because of that. i never did like eleven50 nor do i like opera (although the setup is a little better now). it didn't use to be like this until our little "scene" became miscible with the club scene and you began having to deal with problems like those discussed in this thread. you have your crowd who's there just to be out or meet someone, then you have the people who are really there for the music/experience. too many type "A" people the past several years so now i'll only go out if it's really worth while, ie: i'll deal with opera to see RITM live. either that or i'm just a lame ass now, which could very well be the case


Posted by Big Worm on Mar-13-2009 21:12:

trancension, are you saying that in NYC if the bartender tells you your drink is 13, and you give them a 20, they won't return your change? If so, that's crazy! Tell me it's not like that at Opera. I'll have to roll in there with a decent money roll = all 1's.

Don't get me wrong, I've always been a good tipper because I've spent lots of time working in the service industry. But I would want to eliminate any collateral expense for procuring a beverage.


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