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A few thoughts on Beatport...

1) When you sit down to listen to tracks on beatport, how long does it take you to decide whether to move on to the next track or to keep listening? It takes me just a few seconds. Is this too short? There's just so many new tracks that I can't spend a minute on every single one.

2) What is your percentage of tracks purchased to tracks listened to. Mine is very low...like 1/2% (1 track in 200, usually more).

3) Call me crazy but I think there is alot of 'amateurish' sounding tracks on there. I respect the fact that someone loves EDM enough to produce something from his/her heart but that's just the impression I get from listening to so many tracks.

4) What is needed to have a track listed on beatport? For example: lets say some kid in his basement produces EDM, how much does it cost him (aside from equipment, etc.) to list a track? How is a record label involved in this?

I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this. I love beatport and I have been thinking about these things for a while. Cheers!

Re: A few thoughts on Beatport...

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Originally posted by s.vp50 1) When you sit down to listen to tracks on beatport, how long does it take you to decide whether to move on to the next track or to keep listening? It takes me just a few seconds. Is this too short? There's just so many new tracks that I can't spend a minute on every single one. 2) What is your percentage of tracks purchased to tracks listened to. Mine is very low...like 1/2% (1 track in 200, usually more). 3) Call me crazy but I think there is alot of 'amateurish' sounding tracks on there. I respect the fact that someone loves EDM enough to produce something from his/her heart but that's just the impression I get from listening to so many tracks. 4) What is needed to have a track listed on beatport? For example: lets say some kid in his basement produces EDM, how much does it cost him (aside from equipment, etc.) to list a track? How is a record label involved in this? I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this. I love beatport and I have been thinking about these things for a while. Cheers!

so is this richie hawtin, john acquaviva, ...?

1. At this point I usually stick to labels/producers I recognize so on average I usually give any song I cue up a good 2 minute listen, unless I just really don't like the track. There are some tracks where I just move on after 10 seconds.

2. Mine is probably like 25%, but that's a guess. Maybe a bit lower.

Too many times have I bought tracks that really caught my attention, and when I hear it in full...something ruins it that wasn't in the sample. So lately I've been trying to find longer samples elsewhere to make sure I will definitely play, then buy it.

The only way to get a track listed is to get it signed to a label that is accepted by beatport.

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Originally posted by Seppuku Too many times have I bought tracks that really caught my attention, and when I hear it in full...something ruins it that wasn't in the sample. So lately I've been trying to find longer samples elsewhere to make sure I will definitely play, then buy it. The only way to get a track listed is to get it signed to a label that is accepted by beatport.

good point. djdownload has a cool feature where you can scan all parts of the track but they don't always have all the tracks that beatport does.

Beatport does not work for me. I have $200+ in items in my cart but I'm not likely to spend it at this point.


I've spent over $200 on AudioJelly and will stick with it. Fuck you, Beatport 4.0 and your non-working interface!

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Originally posted by whiskers I've spent over $200 on AudioJelly and will stick with it.

What bucks the shit out of me with Audiojelly is that I can't see the track length anywhere.

I still have to use my new method, but i'll explain it.

First i look up the nice rainbow unicorn trance choons on YouPube and then i buy it where ever it's cheapest, some trax on BeatPhart and some trax on AudioBelly.
I'm not a DJ, so it's a good method for me.

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Originally posted by Unique2701 What bucks the shit out of me with Audiojelly is that I can't see the track length anywhere.

+no wav files FFS Audiojelly wake up.

I find Beatport useful for going through a lot of samples really quickly. I've found some gems by random browsing.

I can listen to 2-3 seconds of a track and tell if its a bad track.
Reasonable sounding tracks get the whole sample listened to.
After that I check samples elsewhere before I decide to buy it somewhere thats cheaper than Beatport.

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Originally posted by THE_Chris I can listen to 2-3 seconds of a track and tell if its a bad track.

That's a crock of shit. You're not even listening to an 8 beat bar in 3 seconds. There is absolutely no way you can fairly judge and discard a track based on 3 seconds of it, and if you have been doing then you're an idiot.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike That's a crock of shit. You're not even listening to an 8 beat bar in 3 seconds. There is absolutely no way you can fairly judge and discard a track based on 3 seconds of it, and if you have been doing then you're an idiot.

Exactly. I need to hear the whole track to judge it. Some tracks get really lame towards the end and some get awesome. Tracks do crazy things. However their are some things i listen for that will turn me off a track almost instantly. Such as hollow sounding percussion. I HATE that.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike That's a crock of shit. You're not even listening to an 8 beat bar in 3 seconds.

That's probably because dance music isn't generally in 8/4...

I dunno what the fuck possessed me to write 8 just then. My original train of thought was you couldn't even hear 8 beats of a track and then changed my mind, so that must have been it.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike That's a crock of shit. You're not even listening to an 8 beat bar in 3 seconds. There is absolutely no way you can fairly judge and discard a track based on 3 seconds of it, and if you have been doing then you're an idiot.

Actually its not a crock of shit it's extremely effective. You can listen to 2-3 seconds of a random track listed as "Progressive" on Beatport and find out if its minimal or electro or deep/dark prog. If its deep/dark I listen to more, if its minimal or electro I chuck it immediately because I hate the stuff.

Beatport in their wisdom cram a whole heap of stuff under the umbrella of Progressive, which is stupid. Most of it is utter crap, but like I said I've found what I would consider some great tracks by unknown producers/labels by doing this 2-3 second overview thing.

yeah its the same for me. It takes me 2-3 secs to find out if a track is "minimal" blipblop shit or not. Even if it's listed under Progressive.

about 10 secs in the beginning, skip to the middle and another 10 secs after that. if it catches my attention i listen to all of it, or i'll throw it in the crate and re-listen to it fully when i come down to the buy-or-discard phase, lol

Anybody else noticed that they removed the limit on playlist length? The playlist also goes back to the first track when it reaches the end.

My feeling is that if I'm not 'moved' by the track in about 10-20 seconds or so, I will not buy it...what is the point of buying something you don't love and makes you want to jump in front of your computer and dance.

BTW, does anyone know what the track limit is in the 'hold' bin? its 151 in the 'crate'.

and what makes some tunes 'territory restricted'? this is a pain in my arse. does it mean that at all download sites it will be restricted as well?

If you're an office worker or use PC during the day, you can use the new features to your advantage, load up the playlist and continue with your tasks while listening full clips. Its only in the background so doesnt matter somewhat if the track is crap.

This is even easier on Juno, where its a simple "load all to player" button.

It takes less time to then go back over the playlist and recall the ones you did like over the whole 2 mins etc.

its a site where you can go purchase music, it wont feed you and walk your dog.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike That's a crock of shit. You're not even listening to an 8 beat bar in 3 seconds. There is absolutely no way you can fairly judge and discard a track based on 3 seconds of it, and if you have been doing then you're an idiot.

If the track begins with something offensive or unworkable it's fine to discard it right away. I mean this from the perspective of a DJ - it's usually quite possible to notice what is going to function in a set immediately, regardless of how much the track expands/changes as it goes along.

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