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Posted by love_child on Mar-12-2009 16:53:

Penn Wants Loss To GSP Nullified

THE CANADIAN PRESS

B.J. Penn has followed up his request for a review of his UFC 94 loss to Canadian Georges St. Pierre with a formal complaint to the Nevada State Athletic Commission, asking that the result of the mixed martial arts title fight be nullified.

The lightweight champion from Hawaii argues that St. Pierre, who holds the welterweight title, was illegally greased during the champion versus champion fight Jan. 31 in Las Vegas and as such had an unfair advantage.

"Basically B.J. feels that what occurred during the fight put him in a position that was unfair and improper and did not comply with the rules and regulations," Penn's Las Vegas-based lawyer, Raffi A. Nahabedian, told The Canadian Press on Wednesday.

"So on one hand, we would like to have the bout essentially nullified . . . the things we are asking for are consistent with the provisions of the code that we have filed our complaint. We also feel there needs to be changes in the rules and regulations."

Among the other Penn requests for relief are a fine of up to US$250,000, as provided in the Nevada statutes, Nahabedian noted; that St. Pierre's licence be suspended as well as those of cornermen/coaches Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse; and the Canadian fighter be required to take a pre-fight shower to ensure there are no substances on his body.

Nahabedian says the last suggestion is from the world of wrestling.

In a Feb. 3 letter to the commission, Nahabedian asked for a "comprehensive investigation and review of the activities involving and relating to Georges St. Pierre prior to and during the bout."

Nahabedian said Wednesday the initial letter was intended "to put the commission on notice" while a formal complaint was prepared.

Essentially the complaint completes the Penn pleading before the commission. And by following all of the proper complaint procedural requirements, it allows Penn to pursue other appeal options if the commission does not pursue further the complaint.

Prior to receiving the formal complaint, commission executive director Keith Kizer said the matter would be heard at a meeting of the commission March 17. Kizer was not immediately available for comment Monday.

The St. Pierre camp responded to the initial Penn letter with a statement and video Feb. 6.

"I have never cheated in my life and, as my fans know, I am deeply committed to upholding the integrity of the sport," St. Pierre said. "My entire camp and I have been completely open about what happened during my fight at UFC 94 -- we have nothing to hide.

"One of my cornermen did use an energy technique to help with my breathing that involves rubbing my back. He's also done this in my previous fights. If there was any Vaseline left on his hand after he put it on my face, it was unintentional, and I do not believe it made the slightest difference in the outcome of the fight."

St. Pierre won when the bout was stopped after four rounds by referee Herb Dean, on the advice of the ring physician. The Penn camp concurred.

The judges scored the first four rounds 40-35, 40-34, 40-34 for St. Pierre, who dominated the fight.

The fight pitted champion against champion. Penn holds the UFC title at 155 pounds while St. Pierre is champion at welterweight at 170 pounds. Both fighters kept their belts, since the fight was contested at 170 .

Prior to the Penn letter, Kizer said it seemed unlikely that the Vaseline incident would have any impact on the outcome of the fight.

Protesting a decision usually comes down to four areas in the regulations: miscounting the scorecards, a positive drug test, collusion of some sort such as paying off an official, and a referee misinterpreting the rules.

But Kizer said Penn was free to argue differently.

The Vaseline incident was enough to have Kizer make a rare visit into the cage between rounds to address the issue with the St. Pierre camp.

Kizer said one of the commission inspectors came to him after the first round to say that Nurse, St. Pierre's Muay Thai trainer, had put Vaseline on his fighter's face -- which is allowed -- and then rubbed St. Pierre's shoulders and upper arms, transferring Vaseline.

Kizer, sitting at the commission table cageside, entered the cage after the second round and asked the GSP corner to wipe down the fighter. The commission ordered the same thing after the third round.

Fighters are checked by an official before they get in the cage. A cutman also smears a small amount of Vaseline on the face to help prevent cuts.

If a fighter is cut, the cutman enters the cage between rounds to work on it. If there is no cut, he stays outside and a cornermen reapplies Vaseline to the face, since it rubs off during the exchange of blows. Applying it anywhere else is illegal.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/mma/2009/03...egate-Compla-0/

Posted by I_Am_Vince on Mar-12-2009 17:21:

Wow Penn was talking so much smack during the pre-fight shows saying he's gonna kill GSP and all that crap. He got his ass whooped the whole match and now he's bitching like a little girl about a lil Vaseline being rubbed on GSP's back? I don't know if GSP's camp intentionally did it or not, but it didn't change the outcome of the fight at all GSP beat him in all 3(4?) rounds.

edit: There's also this that just got released yesterday

The dead horse resumes its beating. It looks like BJ Penn�s camp has finally submitted their formal complaint to the Nevada State Athletic Commission regarding the alleged �greasing� of UFC 94 opponent Georges St. Pierre. The 20 page novella not only re-states Penn�s original grievance with St. Pierre�s corner lathering him up between rounds, but further alleges that GSP �ingested a substance that would cause his body to become highly and unnaturally slippery during the bout.� Now them�s fightin� words, Beej.

Posted by beatjunkie on Mar-12-2009 17:23:

This news is from over a month ago.

Posted by petro on Mar-12-2009 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by beatjunkie
This news is from over a month ago.

Unfortunately, it's still going on. I wish BJ would just stfu already, I'm starting to lose more respect for him with each passing day.

Posted by love_child on Mar-12-2009 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by beatjunkie
This news is from over a month ago.

The article was just released yesterday

Posted by exstasie on Mar-12-2009 17:45:

quote:
Originally posted by love_child
The article was just released yesterday

The article is from yesterday,

but pretty much since the day after the fight he's been trying to get the results nullified.

Posted by ExtremeWays on Mar-12-2009 18:28:

There's only one way to settle this dispute, and that is with a bout of no-holds barred hand to hand combat!

Oh wait...

Posted by gummybear on Mar-12-2009 18:46:

BJ Penn is a big fuckin cry baby..

I want a rematch just cuz I want GSP to kick his ass once again..and this time I think it would be a worse beating than before...

Posted by Naruepol on Mar-12-2009 23:20:

You guys know nothing about jiu jit su, and i have know idea how difficult it is do it with no gi. once you sweat you become slippery and you cant control your opponent.

quote:
"Do I think that he got greased? Yeah, I do. Absolutely, 100 percent, I think that that guy (Nurse) was rubbing grease on him. Do I think Georges was trying to cheat? Absolutely not at all. But, that corner man was rubbing grease on him. You cannot do that. You put another fighter at a huge disadvantage, which is very dangerous. I think he was. I do. I think he absolutely, positively knew that he was rubbing grease on him. I do. Nobody can tell me different. I watched the tape a million times." Dana White

Nick Diaz smoked weed and fucked up Gomi.That fight was a no contest and he got fined and suspened. The same will probably happen to GSP.

Posted by jchung52 on Mar-12-2009 23:24:

r u serious

Posted by DigDeep on Mar-12-2009 23:33:

Posted by MarkT on Mar-13-2009 00:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Naruepol
You guys know nothing about jiu jit su, and i have know idea how difficult it is do it with no gi. once you sweat you become slippery and you cant control your opponent.

Nick Diaz smoked weed and fucked up Gomi.That fight was a no contest and he got fined and suspened. The same will probably happen to GSP.

The Diaz-Gomi NC was lame. legit ruling, since it's a banned substance, but to me it just underscored the win for Diaz. Gomi was a douche in that fight. he was landing harder shots, but being badly outboxed. he had the gall to try to get the ref to stop the fight for cuts on Diaz's face while Diaz was tooling him...the Diaz subbed his ass. SO sweet to see that. Watching Penn choke him out was fun too.

it's not just sweat with 'no gi' grappling. the other shit people pull is crazy...like oil baths. people will soak in one and when they sweat the next day during a fight, the oil secretes out too.

whatever the intent or not with GSP's situation...fine, rule it a NC. everyone, including Penn, knows that it didn't change the outcome of the fight, but it's illegal. so let them fight again under closer scrutiny. the outcome will be the same (or worse) for Penn. GSP has progressed a lot since their first fight and will dominate him again. he's too big, too strong, too athletic and too well rounded. Penn has a puncher's chance and that's about it, because there's no way he's taking GSP down. Penn should stick to LW where he's arguable the best on the planet.

Posted by DigDeep on Mar-13-2009 01:32:

They should meet halfway at 162.5. :P

I think Penn would actually win.

Posted by Naruepol on Mar-13-2009 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Button
They should meet halfway at 162.5. :P

I think Penn would actually win.

gsp is 190,hes going to have to cut his arm off to make 162.5.

Posted by I_Am_Vince on Mar-13-2009 02:50:

Posted by love_child on Mar-13-2009 03:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Naruepol
gsp is 190,hes going to have to cut his arm off to make 162.5.

GSP is 170 lbs

Posted by Spam on Mar-13-2009 03:43:

quote:
Originally posted by love_child
GSP is 170 lbs

No he's 185-190.

He WEIGHS IN at 170. That is, after 15-20 pounds being lost through dehydration and such, he's 170. By the time of the fight, he's actually 185-190. I wouldn't be surprised if Penn was a natural 154 at his weigh-in, maybe 160-165 at max.

Posted by Claude Hughes on Mar-13-2009 06:14:

this is the only time im going to state the following. BJ is brutal.

Posted by nusty on Mar-13-2009 18:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Naruepol
You guys know nothing about jiu jit su, and i have know idea how difficult it is do it with no gi. once you sweat you become slippery and you cant control your opponent.

Nick Diaz smoked weed and fucked up Gomi.That fight was a no contest and he got fined and suspened. The same will probably happen to GSP.

As someone who teaches jiu jitsu (gi and no gi), yeah no gi is slippery but I didn't see BJ come even close to submitting GSP with a triangle. all other no gi submissions work basically the same greased or not. If you have the right position you'll get it, otherwise natural sweat would be enough for him to slip out of a lock anyway. try escaping a tight arm bar while sweaty, you won't if the guy is doing it right. by the second round it wouldn't make much difference either way in my opinion.
His corner put a bit of Vaseline on his face between rounds (they are allowed to and everyone does it to help prevent cuts) and yeah it looked like he rubbed his back and neck with one hand (pretty half assed though) but there didn't even appear to be any even on his face at that point so I can't imagine much if any made it to his back. Between each round you could clearly see an official towel off GSP's shoulders seconds before the next round would resume. any Vaseline still on him at that point would have been taken off. I saw Penn try to slip his guard up high on GSP at the start of the second round but sweat alone would have made that hard and every time he did it GSP just postured up anyway.

Watch the tapes, Penn was done by the end of the first round. the 'grease' didn't play a role if any until the second round and by then gsp was already dominating too much. Penn had a punchers chance.

Posted by love_child on Mar-13-2009 20:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Spam
No he's 185-190.

He WEIGHS IN at 170. That is, after 15-20 pounds being lost through dehydration and such, he's 170. By the time of the fight, he's actually 185-190. I wouldn't be surprised if Penn was a natural 154 at his weigh-in, maybe 160-165 at max.

I would say 180. Anything over is pushing it.

Posted by Spam on Mar-13-2009 21:03:

quote:
Originally posted by love_child
I would say 180. Anything over is pushing it.

On average, a fighter loses 15-20 pounds for the weigh-in. GSP is at LEAST 180, probably 185, and possibly 190.

Posted by love_child on Mar-13-2009 21:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Spam
On average, a fighter loses 15-20 pounds for the weigh-in. GSP is at LEAST 180, probably 185, and possibly 190.

GSP was 185 in the fight and Penn prolly was 175 after Taco Bell. Its not the weight that made the difference its the Chalumpa

Posted by MarkT on Mar-13-2009 23:28:

and that's on fight night. he regularly walks above 190, I'm sure. BJ probably didn't have to cut at all, which is beneficial from a cardio standpoint. killing yourself to cut weight, if you're not used to it, can ruin you.

watch a fighter's first fight when they move down in wieght class (e.g. Vera)...horrible energy/cardio if they had to cut a lot of weight. unless they're a wrestler, as they're used to it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_y...=yhoo&type=lgns

"St. Pierre said he was about 187 pounds going into the cage, nearly 20 pounds heavier than Penn (13-5-1), who weighed in at 168 pounds and was likely right at that weight going into the cage."

Posted by Spam on Mar-14-2009 01:14:

quote:
Originally posted by love_child
GSP was 185 in the fight and Penn prolly was 175 after Taco Bell. Its not the weight that made the difference its the Chalumpa

There's no way Penn was 175. He likely weighed in at his natural weight, and he weighed in at what, 168?

My argument has never been that the fight was decided on weight, btw. Just that GSP was most definitely well above 170 by fight night, while Penn was probably still 168.

Posted by Naruepol on Mar-17-2009 22:37:

quote:
"This sport is something very special to me," Penn said. "When it comes to cheating or bending the rules, I don't know why anybody would want to be the world champion with a belt around their waist and be cheating to get there.

Pretty harsh worlds for GSP.

Gsp is most talented fighter in the world. pride of canada and is a role model to kids all over the world and he can't show up to this hearing to defend himself in front of NSAC?

Everyone saw the footage showed him cheating and he's afraid to face the music.

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