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Pope: Condoms = AIDS?
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| The Vatican on Wednesday defended Pope Benedict XVI's opposition to the use of condoms to stop the spread of AIDS as activists, doctors and governments criticized it as unrealistic, unscientific and dangerous. Benedict, arriving in Africa, said Tuesday that condoms "increase the problem" of AIDS. The comment, made to reporters aboard his plane, caused a worldwide storm of criticism.... |
I've been wrong all these years. I should call everyone I told otherwise, and correct myself before something bad happens.
1 + 1 = 5!!
you might've wanted to quote the whole article first.
The church has never supported the use of condoms as its stance is that sexual intercourse is meant for procreation.
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| Asked about the criticism, a Vatican spokesman, the Reverend Federico Lombardi, said that the pope was expressing a longstanding Vatican position, and that Benedict wanted to stress that a reliance on condoms distracted from the need for proper education in sexual conduct. The Vatican asserts that condoms can lead to risky sexual behavior, but many contest that view. |
PS. I cant help being immature and giggle at this: "Kevin De Cock, director of the H.I.V./AIDS program at the World Health Organization"
Well, he is right, if...
- people only ever had sex for the purpose of procreation
- only had sex with people they were married to
- abstained from sex outside of marriage
It would greatly slow down the spread of STDs, it would also suck the fun outta livin I say.
no one ever bothers to actually understand the Pope's positions on things like this. What the Vatican's position is that the distribution and use of condoms create a sense of security regarding STD, which leads to an environment of sexual permissiveness, which results in more people having sex with multiple partners, which increases the potential for the spread of HIV/STDs. The pope's position is that the above situation is less desirable then if people were educated in "proper sexual conduct," which means (in the church's eyes) monogamous sexual relationships between married persons. While the church's position that sex be reserved for married couples only may be idealistic it would do a better job at preventing the spread of STDs then the use of condoms would. Now we all know that people simply aren't going to be abstinent until marriage and then monogamous after marriage; however, the church holds itself up as a moral authority... you cannot expect them to promote moral relativism; nevertheless, for one to write off the pope's position as being without merit simply shows one does not understand it.
Lets all just pick on a few words said by the religious, twist them around, publicize them and laugh since they are soooooo uneducated.
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| Originally posted by El K Dee Lets all just pick on a few words said by the religious, twist them around, publicize them and laugh since they are soooooo uneducated. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard moral relativism |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard no one ever bothers to actually understand the Pope's positions on things like this. What the Vatican's position is that the distribution and use of condoms create a sense of security regarding STD, which leads to an environment of sexual permissiveness, which results in more people having sex with multiple partners, which increases the potential for the spread of HIV/STDs. The pope's position is that the above situation is less desirable then if people were educated in "proper sexual conduct," which means (in the church's eyes) monogamous sexual relationships between married persons. While the church's position that sex be reserved for married couples only may be idealistic it would do a better job at preventing the spread of STDs then the use of condoms would. Now we all know that people simply aren't going to be abstinent until marriage and then monogamous after marriage; however, the church holds itself up as a moral authority... you cannot expect them to promote moral relativism; nevertheless, for one to write off the pope's position as being without merit simply shows one does not understand it. |
The Pope has a lot of responsibilities it's trur, but I believe he's out of touch with the needs of today's needs. That Church needs a reality check and must change some rule to reflect "the right thing to do"
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| Originally posted by ExtremeWays Bullshit, there's moral relativism and there's pragmatism. Moral relativism is saying different standards apply to different people, cultures, times or places. Pragmatism says that sometimes we have to accept a lesser evil in order to do the most good for the most people. The Pope is looking in the face of one of the greatest tragedies of modern history--the AIDs epidemic in Africa, and refusing to accept the slightest concession to pragmatism that could save thousands of lives and the destruction of entire societies, in favor of wagging his finger at people for not abiding by catholic standards of sexual morality. That's inexcusable. He's also spreading LIES about the effectiveness of condoms in a part of the world where lack of education about sexual heath is LETHAL. The Pope's message is directly contributing to people's deaths, and for that I hope he gets gang-raped bareback by a dozen Algerians. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Nnow that's bullshit. First, if the pope were to say condoms are okay for people to use now because aids exists then that would be relativism, which really doesn't work for an organisation that is meant to be a moral authority. Second, what the pope is saying isn't simply don't use condoms; rather, he's saying don't be sexually active outside a monogamous relationship. While that may not be popular, he is right in that it would do more to prevent the spread of aids then distributing condoms. Third, if the church were to abandon theology for practicality then it would lose its religious authority. Fourth, the vatican is the largest provider of healthcare, in general, and aids testment in specific in Africa (so the church is doing more to help the suffering then any group). Finally, people who choose to engage in permarital or extra marital sex clearly aren't listening to the pope regardless of whether or not they are using condoms;subsequently, this charge that he is contributing to the deaths of thousands is just folly. Ps... Posting that from my blackberry sucked |
I think the catholic church might still have Copernicus on their heretic list...
sure the pope is out of touch...technically its part of his job.
He's just jealous.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z95n7j79Dw
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| Originally posted by 7-4-7 He's just zealous. |
I just thought I'd post the actual transcript of the actual exchange with a reporter that gave rise to all of this....
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| Visseyrias: Holiness, among the many evils that scourge Africa, there is also and in particular that of the spread of AIDS. The position of the Catholic Church on the way to fight against this is often regarded as unrealistic and ineffective. Will you address this topic during the trip? Very Holy Father, would it be possible for you to answer this question in French? Benedict XVI: I would say the contrary. I think that the most efficient reality, the most present at the front of the struggle against AIDS, is precisely the Catholic Church, with her movements, with her various organizations. I am thinking of the Sant'Egidio Community that does so much, visibly and also invisibly, for the struggle against AIDS, of the Camilliani, of all the sisters who are at the disposition of the sick. I would say that this problem of AIDS can't be overcome only with publicity slogans. If there is not the soul, if the Africans are not helped, the scourge can't be resolved with the distribution of condoms: on the contrary, there is a risk of increasing the problem. The solution can only be found in a double commitment: first, a humanization of sexuality, that is, a spiritual and human renewal that brings with it a new way of behaving with one another; and second, a true friendship, also and above all for those who suffer, the willingness -- even with sacrifice and self-denial -- to be with the suffering. And these are the factors that help and that lead to visible progress. Because of this, I would say that this, our double effort to renew man interiorly, to give spiritual and human strength for correct behavior with regard to one's body and that of another, and this capacity to suffer with those who suffer, to remain present in situations of trial. It seems to me that this is the correct answer, and the Church does this and thus offers a very great and important contribution. We thank all those who do this. |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Oddly, it doesn't sound nearly as simple as condoms = AIDS. |
Anyone with half a wit of sense would not be putting their life only a plastic balloon millimeters away from a disease that is uncurable......
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Now that's bullshit. First, if the pope were to say condoms are okay for people to use now because aids exists then that would be relativism, which really doesn't work for an organisation that is meant to be a moral authority. Second, what the pope is saying isn't simply don't use condoms; rather, he's saying don't be sexually active outside a monogamous relationship. While that may not be popular, he is right in that it would do more to prevent the spread of aids then distributing condoms. Third, if the church were to abandon theology for practicality then it would lose its religious authority. Fourth, the vatican is the largest provider of healthcare, in general, and aids treatment, in specific, in Africa (so the church is doing more to help the suffering then any group). Finally, people who choose to engage in permarital or extra marital sex clearly aren't listening to the pope regardless of whether or not they are using condoms; subsequently, this charge that he is contributing to the deaths of thousands is just folly. Ps... Posting that from my blackberry sucked |
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| Originally posted by Moral Hazard Now that's bullshit. First, if the pope were to say condoms are okay for people to use now because aids exists then that would be relativism, which really doesn't work for an organisation that is meant to be a moral authority. Second, what the pope is saying isn't simply don't use condoms; rather, he's saying don't be sexually active outside a monogamous relationship. While that may not be popular, he is right in that it would do more to prevent the spread of aids then distributing condoms. Third, if the church were to abandon theology for practicality then it would lose its religious authority. Fourth, the vatican is the largest provider of healthcare, in general, and aids treatment, in specific, in Africa (so the church is doing more to help the suffering then any group). Finally, people who choose to engage in permarital or extra marital sex clearly aren't listening to the pope regardless of whether or not they are using condoms; subsequently, this charge that he is contributing to the deaths of thousands is just folly. Ps... Posting that from my blackberry sucked |
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| Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers As terrifying as the thought of getting into an online discussion about religion with a zealot is, I can't help but point out that your message simply does not acknowledge reality. People are going to have sex with multiple partners. Whether the Pope thinks this is right or wrong has virtually nothing to do with this natural, built-in human behavior. Denying this observable truth simply exacerbates the problem. At least his naive perspective coupled with his massive (although declining) moral authority inspires discussion about the epidemic. |
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| Originally posted by infinity HiGH 1 + 1 = 5!! |
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