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What burning software to use for burning Audio CD's for CDJ mixing?

Hey all

I'm planning to get Pioneer CDJ800 MK2's in the near future and just wondered what burning software people use to burn audio cd's for CDJ mixing....

Please note that I am running Vista so I need something that will run on Vista (early versions of Nero, like version 6, dont work on Vista!)

Also, do you guys normalise a lot of the tracks? as some tracks I have are a bit quiet volume wise).

Cheers

I have nero 8 and it works well on vista. also normalize my tracks too.

Can you load up nero 8 and click the help > about and tell me what version u have specifically?

I also had some other questions:-

1) Do you guys burn with CD Text enabled and do you leave the 2 second gap between tracks?

2) What blank CD brand do you use?

3) What do you use to normalise your tracks?

Thx

Normalise tracks? Can someone explain what that means?

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Originally posted by Unique2701 Normalise tracks? Can someone explain what that means?

Different tracks recorded and/or ripped from different sources might have different volume levels so normalisation simply does a little volume gain tweak and boosts or lowers the volume level of each track to match up with the other tracks, closer to an average volume level so that when you play or listen the cd, you don't go suddenly from a very quiet track to a very much distorting, too loud recorded track. Depending on the possibilities in the software you use, you can also choose the average level the tracks should be normalised to.

Of course if you're a "pro", you master the tracks with an audio editing or mastering software of your preference before you burn them as the standard normalisation procedure of most audio burning softwares can often also cause certain instruments and elements in tracks to boost up too much or leave under all the others.

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Originally posted by Simcut 1) Do you guys burn with CD Text enabled and do you leave the 2 second gap between tracks? 2) What blank CD brand do you use? Thx

1) If your decks support it then why not utilise it?! Can be really useful at times

2) Any decent brand & burn at a sensible speed

PS I'm probably on my own here but I personally don't use Nero as I had no end of problems with the audio CD's not holding pitch. Plenty of quality audio CD burners out there for free if you decide against Nero.

I use itunes and it doesn't matter what disc you get it's a blank circular piece of plastic, nothing special at all.

As far as the burn speed, the slower the better but I never go faster than 24x.

Ta people

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Originally posted by GrimReaper Different tracks recorded and/or ripped from different sources might have different volume levels so normalisation simply does a little volume gain tweak and boosts or lowers the volume level of each track to match up with the other tracks, closer to an average volume level so that when you play or listen the cd, you don't go suddenly from a very quiet track to a very much distorting, too loud recorded track. Depending on the possibilities in the software you use, you can also choose the average level the tracks should be normalised to. Of course if you're a "pro", you master the tracks with an audio editing or mastering software of your preference before you burn them as the standard normalisation procedure of most audio burning softwares can often also cause certain instruments and elements in tracks to boost up too much or leave under all the others.

Ah, I should've done that. I ripped some old albums from CDs and the volume seems lower and used it to mix with. But if you normalise all the tracks you use to mix with, would it be wise to also normalise the mix as a whole at the end, or would that be too much? I vaguely read something about that.

Also, are there any cons for normalizing tracks? Will it cut out the good parts so to say?

I just use Windows Media Player

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Originally posted by Unique2701 Ah, I should've done that. I ripped some old albums from CDs and the volume seems lower and used it to mix with. But if you normalise all the tracks you use to mix with, would it be wise to also normalise the mix as a whole at the end, or would that be too much? I vaguely read something about that. Also, are there any cons for normalizing tracks? Will it cut out the good parts so to say?

Yes it's good to normalise the whole mix in the end, it might "fix" things if you have been sloppy with the volume gains, playing some tracks too loud or too quiet so normalising evens out the differences and levels down the peaks.

Although depending on the tracks, the results of normalising separate tracks on a cd might vary. It's usually fine if you only use tracks with proper beats but if you also include tracks with very soft beats or especially beatless tracks, in some cases those might end up sounding much louder than the "more beaty" tracks because the normalisation process tries to compensate the lack of proper beats to compare with the other tracks by boosting up other elements.

kiitos beaucoup

Wait, why does burn speed matter?

burn speed matters beacuse it affects how fast the information is written on the disc, if your CD ROM is cruddy then there will be errors when the cd burns on a high speed or if you use a numark CD player lol

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Originally posted by GrimReaper Yes it's good to normalise the whole mix in the end, it might "fix" things if you have been sloppy with the volume gains, playing some tracks too loud or too quiet so normalising evens out the differences and levels down the peaks. Although depending on the tracks, the results of normalising separate tracks on a cd might vary. It's usually fine if you only use tracks with proper beats but if you also include tracks with very soft beats or especially beatless tracks, in some cases those might end up sounding much louder than the "more beaty" tracks because the normalisation process tries to compensate the lack of proper beats to compare with the other tracks by boosting up other elements.

It won't fix anything if he's been sloppy with the volume gains. Normalizing only increases/decreases the peak volume. So if he played 2 tracks and 1 peaks (the highest volume of that track) at -3db and the second track peaks at -1db and then normalizes that mix to 0db the result will be; track 1 max peak volume at -2db and track 2 at 0db (that's not theoretically correct, because Db is a logarithmic unit but you get the idea). Basically exactly the same as if he'd set the volume control on his amp 2 db louder.

The second part of your post is pure nonsense.

Unique2701: normalize everything as many times as you want. You can't lose anything if you normalize a track 50 times (except your free time). The reason that track from an old album was so quiet compared to the new track is, because of loudness wars/headroom/compression/limiting/dynamic range which is itself a lengthy rant.

What you need if you want your mixes to sound 'even' is a brickwall limiter.

I use the software Audio CD Burner Studio, it's easy to use, supports CD Text for extracting correct music data that is shown during playback in a CD Player.

I just use itunes, never had any problems

iTunes at 2x

Re: What burning software to use for burning Audio CD's for CDJ mixing?

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Originally posted by Simcut Hey all I'm planning to get Pioneer CDJ800 MK2's in the near future and just wondered what burning software people use to burn audio cd's for CDJ mixing.... Please note that I am running Vista so I need something that will run on Vista (early versions of Nero, like version 6, dont work on Vista!) Also, do you guys normalise a lot of the tracks? as some tracks I have are a bit quiet volume wise). Cheers

As of late i have been using MixMeister Fusion to burn cds!
http://www.mixmeister.com/products_mmfusion.html

Mr. B00n

I use Sony Soundforge 8 for normalizing (Normalize or with the Wave Hammer) only if they're really quiet, in most case the bought tracks don't differ that much and the volume can be corrected with the gain channel when mixing.

For burning audio CDs with my windows bitch i use freeware programs called Burrrn or CDBurnerXP (ok you run on Vista, i don't know if it works on Vista or if there is a newer free Vist0r version). Nero is totally filled with crap i don't need imho^^ With my mac i use iTunes.

I do not burn them faster than 8x and never use Sony CDRs again, my CDJ 800 MK1 don't like them^^

I have a built-in burner in my laptop but had troubles with it.
I got myself this Audio CD Burner and it works pretty good.

Toast [Mac]

ive been using a demo of nero lately, i gotta buy something though. im burning at 4x and theres errors on my fujifilm. errors such as, song skips, and the on one it even restarts the track 8 seconds in. gosh; never had this problem before, im assuming its totally the demo software.

Nah I think it's just Nero mate :/

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