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Posted by djdawn on Jun-14-2002 13:17:

competition for finalscratch

there is another company that is working on the same thing, but it seems to be cheaper:

http://www.serato.com/products/scratchlive/

I've read (in some German DJ mag) that the performance is even smoother and more precise than finalscratch. The price is something around 300$ for Two vinyl control records, software CD and a USB interface to connect your turntables to your computer.

will be released in late 2002. Looks promising, too.

just to keep you informed

Posted by JohnSmith on Jun-14-2002 14:24:

awesome! and it runs under windows too..

that's pretty cool.. even though it isn't that stable, it would be good to muck around with without buying a whole new computer to put BeOS on.

check out the screenshot:

Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-14-2002 14:37:

holy shit it even makes me think about getting it (instead of buying real tables) and a mixer ...

Posted by JohnSmith on Jun-14-2002 15:24:

you still need tables and a mixer, unless you are going to get the studio version, which in my opinion won't be as good.

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jun-14-2002 18:22:

hmm interesting.

i just got to see final scratch used live for the first time by josh wink.. looks pretty cool.. he had a sony laptop running BeOS to do it with.. weird stuff!

-mer

Posted by djdawn on Jun-15-2002 11:15:

found even more competition:

http://www.alcatech.com/html/

under "products" look for "Digiscratch"

also they have something so you don't need tables anymore, called BPM Studio 4, it's like a dual cd player control that you hook to your PC and play MP3s instead of cds. pretty sweet looking!

Posted by Jah on Jun-16-2002 03:52:

just a quick question with final scratch can you use your own tables and mixer? so its only the record (maybe a special stylus?) and softare your paying for? if that case it could kind of be viable but also you wouldnt be able to see bars

Posted by djdawn on Jun-16-2002 09:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Jah
just a quick question with final scratch can you use your own tables and mixer? so its only the record (maybe a special stylus?) and softare your paying for? if that case it could kind of be viable but also you wouldnt be able to see bars

yes, any table and mixer will do, no special stylus needed. Only the special vinyl. And you CAN see the bars on your laptop/PC which is where the music comes from. I have a link to a nice demo vid for FS somewhere, will add it later.

Posted by JohnSmith on Jun-16-2002 15:25:

quote:
Originally posted by djdawn
found even more competition:

http://www.alcatech.com/html/

under "products" look for "Digiscratch"

Sweet.. competition is good, it brings prices down. as it is, final scrath is way too expensive.

quote:
Originally posted by djdawn
also they have something so you don't need tables anymore, called BPM Studio 4, it's like a dual cd player control that you hook to your PC and play MP3s instead of cds. pretty sweet looking!

that's been around for a while, but it's REALLY expensive

Posted by JohnSmith on Jun-16-2002 15:29:

quote:
Originally posted by djdawn

yes, any table and mixer will do, no special stylus needed. Only the special vinyl. And you CAN see the bars on your laptop/PC which is where the music comes from. I have a link to a nice demo vid for FS somewhere, will add it later.

actually, you also need the interface box, just like with finalscratch or scratchlive. something needs to decode that timecoded signal..

i can't wait to get one of these and try it out.

here's a picture of the alcatech one:

Posted by Trypsin on Jun-16-2002 18:51:

BPM Studio has been around for a while, and if you're looking to just be doing mixing with your comp + external mixer, it's one of the best software renditions of cd decks that you can get.

Has anyone found out the latency on these systems? You'd think it would be pretty high since the signal has to go from the vinyl into your box, then the software has to interpret it and send the sound signal... and all of this over USB.

Posted by djdawn on Jun-16-2002 19:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Trypsin
Has anyone found out the latency on these systems? You'd think it would be pretty high since the signal has to go from the vinyl into your box, then the software has to interpret it and send the sound signal... and all of this over USB.

i think final scratch was around 9 ms.

Posted by DJ A.i on Jun-18-2002 18:19:

how much is digiscratch???

Posted by djdawn on Sep-08-2002 08:43:

UPDATE!

after Serato and Alcatech, I found another company going into this market with a new Product:

D-Vinyl 2020 from Soundgraph (Korea). Supposed to be cheap compared to the others, too.

More info here (english): http://www.egosys.co.jp/esi/dvinyl2020.htm

there are some videos, too. But I can't yet comment cause the DLs are not finished.

*EDIT* found more info (including the price)

quote:
The 2002 Winter NAMM show brought the debut of ESI'a D-Vinyl 2020, an answer for DJ's who need the flexibility of a state of the art digital system but also demand the artistic control that only working with a real turntable can offer. D-Vinyl puts real time control back into the hands of the DJ. The D-Vinyl system utilizes two real live turntables as controllers, offering a realism that competing systems can't compare with. Once again the subtle artistry of the master DJ can shine through.

D-Vinyl 2020 is a full featured piece of hardware and a software package that can be run from your laptop. D-Vinyl features direct MP3 decoding, real time cueing and scratching, speed control, pitch control, and instantaneous reverse directional ability. Pitch control allows you to raise or lower pitch as much as 100%. Built in effects include an onboard flanger and reverb along with a chop device and a frequency generator. The beat counter can be set to three different modes including auto, manual, and pre-count for maximum versatility.

The ESI D-Vinyl system is priced at $1199 and is slated to begin deliveries in March 2002.

For more information, visit their web site at www.esi-pro.com.

Posted by djdawn on Sep-08-2002 08:56:

damn! looks wicked!!!

found the main website:

http://www.soundgraph.com/sub_main....01=pd&mn02=pd04
still can't find the price...

Posted by djdawn on Sep-09-2002 07:43:

LMAO!!!

i just had the pleasure of watching part 3 of the demo video that is on the above mentioned site. Includes some of the worst *mixing* and transitions I have ever witnessed!!!
true classic. This makes me so not want to buy it! It seems as if they had some manager guy or someone from the factory demonstrate the system....weird, talk about bad promotion.

Posted by dj_pontiac on Sep-10-2002 22:07:

if the prices go down enough i�ll sure would like to get one. it�s better than only tables or only cds, you can use the best of both

Posted by djmorph on Sep-11-2002 17:43:

audio quality question

Is the audio quality comprable to that of vinly? I was planing on buying final scratch and the only concern I had was audio quality. Does anyone know? thanks in advance.

Posted by djdawn on Sep-11-2002 22:45:

audio quality only depends on what file you play. good/bad mp3, wav, CD...anything goes

Posted by DJAdamSmith on Oct-05-2002 21:39:

With serato scratch live, will you be able to pick up the needle, drop it on another part of the record and have it instantly start playing there? I know you can't do that with Digiscratch, and you *can* do it with Final Scratch. I'd rather have Serato Scratch Live if it does this, especially because it will work on Windows XP.

I didn't see on their website any information about whether it would or not.