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Compression on the kick and the bass

Hi I'm actually using Vengeance samples for my kicks and adding compression to them (using fabfilter pro-C vst) I have read an interview to Manuel Scheils and he suggest not to process the sounds from Vengeance sample packs.

what would you recommend? in case of compression could anyone tell a standard setting to start from?

now for basses I work with Nexus, V-station and some basses created by me on subtractor (Reason) I'm not applyng any kind of compression to them (well sometimes sidechaining for ducking effects) I always use at least 3 basses sounds, (Sub, main and one more sharper) what would you recommend about compression? compress all of them? use the same settings to all of them? I will apreciate a standard setting for bass compression to start from.


I've attached a sample of my sound

thanks and regards!

have to use your ears man, go to your favorite records and compare the differences.

the vengeance stuff is already compressed although some people tie the kicK & bass together so they are tighter but i don't really think its necessary, just get your levels right.

here's the sample

pattern.MP3
http://www.filefactory.com/file/af7601f/n/pattern_MP3

If you dont know why you should add compression, then dont do it.

I find compression overrated, and not necessary at all for a good bass and kick combo.

i sometimes use compression for kicks and basses, but i like to mix with compressors, there are people that dont even use compressors. Just compare your sound to some professional mixes, try to reach it. keep practicing, and try new things.

I'm always compressing my kicks, even the vengeance one. Subtle compression can make the kick a lot tighter. Don't set your attack to high because you will loose all your lower frequencies doing so.

If I use compression on the bass depends on the kind of effect that I would like to get!

Also a cool thing you can do, is to use a waveform analyzer/displayer or whatever it is called, then you can see how the compression affects the waveform and transients.

if you have to ask questions regarding compression settings and when to use it then you dont understand what it is and its uses. Read up on compression or experiment with it.

One thing is a fact. There are no standard compression settings. It will completely depend on the material and what you want to achieve.

I use mainly Vengeance kicks in my trance songs. I don't do anything to them, they go straight through to the master channel. Sometimes some very minor EQ adjustments (+ or -2dB at most). The main bass sound usually has sidechain compression on it.

As for sidechaining/compressing other basses - what do you want those sounds to sound like? You'll answer your own question by trying things out. My feeling is, sometimes you'll sidechain/compress these sounds, sometimes not. Whether you do or not is totally up to you and the particular song/ sound.

I always have a great deal of success pushing Vengeance kicks through UAD Neve 88RS. The 88RS is versatile enough to totally change the character of the kicks.

Someone should write a guide or something about compression/sidechaining and other effects, people seem to think they are the norm or "required" for EDM, when in truth any 'good' [good != professional] producer likely rarely uses them. And this is even more so for people who don't even know what these tricks are used for.

And every time a question is asked, people can link to that guide.

Vengeance has some good samples...but their kick samples are their weakest, i'd avoid the kicks. Their synths shots and percs are decent though.

I sometimes add compression to sampled kicks whether theyve been compressed or not, just enough to give it some punch and bite, like Anthony says, your ears are the best guideline here

Everytime I apply compression on those Vengeance trance/clubby kicks , it gets really distorted sounding. The samples are already compressed , so i dont think there is a need to do it again.

Re: Compression on the kick and the bass

Message to original poster and everybody else who's interested:

I know of a good online video tutorial made by a pro where he shows you how he constructs a song in his sequencer and he simply shows you the comp settings he makes.. that's the easiest way to learn it.

However I am a bit tired of people not helping me out when I do a request, so I've made a request here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s= If you can help me, post a reply there or send me a private message and I will give you the link to the video if you want it.

Don't get me wrong, but I only want to help people who also want to help me.

PS: couldn't download your file at filefactory.. use rapidshare instead for uploading files!

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Originally posted by Dance123 Message to original poster and everybody else who's interested: I know of a good video tutorial made by a pro where he shows you how he constructs a song in his sequencer and he simply shows you the comp settings he makes.. that's the easiest way to learn it. However I am a bit tired of people not helping me out when I do a request, so I've made a request here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s= If you can help me, post a reply there or send me a private message and I will give you the link to the video if you want it. Don't get me wrong, but I only want to help people who also want to help me. PS: couldn't download your file at filefactory.. use rapidshare instead for uploading files!

That's a pretty selfish attitude man, that's not the way to go on in life

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Vengeance has some good samples...but their kick samples are their weakest, i'd avoid the kicks. Their synths shots and percs are decent though.

Not 100% sure about that, i like to layer three of them together and compress and eq as needed, but i feel like with the release of vec3 they really took care of the sample quality in terms of kicks.

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Originally posted by Dance123 Message to original poster and everybody else who's interested: I know of a good online video tutorial made by a pro where he shows you how he constructs a song in his sequencer and he simply shows you the comp settings he makes.. that's the easiest way to learn it. However I am a bit tired of people not helping me out when I do a request, so I've made a request here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s= If you can help me, post a reply there or send me a private message and I will give you the link to the video if you want it. Don't get me wrong, but I only want to help people who also want to help me. PS: couldn't download your file at filefactory.. use rapidshare instead for uploading files!

Sometimes you just need to chill out and wait, as well as get your name out a little more in other topics for people to be inclined to help.

Re: Re: Compression on the kick and the bass

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Originally posted by Dance123 Message to original poster and everybody else who's interested: I know of a good online video tutorial made by a pro where he shows you how he constructs a song in his sequencer and he simply shows you the comp settings he makes.. that's the easiest way to learn it. However I am a bit tired of people not helping me out when I do a request, so I've made a request here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s= If you can help me, post a reply there or send me a private message and I will give you the link to the video if you want it. Don't get me wrong, but I only want to help people who also want to help me. PS: couldn't download your file at filefactory.. use rapidshare instead for uploading files!

lol, your asking people to break the law on a public forum. That's why no-one replies.

Whether you download one loop or the whole CD you're breaking the law. Will a supermarket let you off with stealing one olive from a jar-full?

Thing is that when I was on this forum like 4 years ago, people were alot more helpful and helped when somebody made a request for something. Now people already critize you when you ask for some drumloops.. as I mentioned in my post, right now i simply don't have the money to buy new stuff, therefore my little request.. gimme a break ok.

Anyway, if somebody still wants to know more about the video tutorial or just wants to help, go to my thread here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s= and send me a pm

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Vengeance has some good samples...but their kick samples are their weakest, i'd avoid the kicks. Their synths shots and percs are decent though.

what has good kick samples?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja what has good kick samples?

VEH 2 Hard Kicks

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Originally posted by Subtle VEH 2 Hard Kicks

+1
some of the 70s & 80s kicks are pretty good too in VEH2

Re: Re: Compression on the kick and the bass

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Originally posted by mysticalninja what has good kick samples?

Best Service House Definition volume 1. Most of my kicks come from there (or sampled from other tracks ).

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Originally posted by Dance123 However I am a bit tired of people not helping me out when I do a request, so I've made a request here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...8&forumid=48&s= If you can help me, post a reply there or send me a private message and I will give you the link to the video if you want it.

That's the way to make friends here! Anyway, you are talking about a drumloop and that you are low on cash to buy vengeance discs. You don't always need sample discs to create your percussion, there a lot of free sources on the internet to get samples. Just download a lot of singleshots and re-create that loop, you will be more satisfied after creating your own loop. Just check out this site: http://www.vipzone-samples.com/, they got loads of cool free samples.

With making music it is about creating your own unique piece of work, which can only be achieved with hard work. Asking someone else to create your loops is not the way you want to go.

Here's a tipical sample of my work, as I said on the first post the kick is a little compressed with FabFiltre Pro-C and there are 4 bass lines

1 Sub (simple sine)
1 Main (without any effect)
1 Main duplicated one octave higher and with litlle reverb and delay
1 kind of acid

all of them are equalized but not compressed, I'll aprreciate apinions on the compression for this pattern

here's the link

http://www.zshare.net/audio/579288463543f94a/

thanks and regards

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Originally posted by cronodevir ....when in truth any 'good' [good != professional] producer likely rarely uses them.

Not true, compressors are very often used. Why you think compression is often talked about, or the many types of compressors available? Producers really use them a lot, it's just not that you 'must' use a compressor on anything.

Since a couple week I know how to compress decently, and with satisfying results. Took me quite a time to get there.

Also, it's important which compressor you use, because every one has it's own characteristics.

So people, what kind of compressor do you use? And what do you like about them?

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