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those who want to make it alone in the edm world.
i have been thinking for some time now "can i release my own tunes without a label"? so without writing a long post i would love to hear other ta's thoughts on this.
and those who have tried and seceded. and tried and failed.
I release my tunes without a label every single time...though i also release them for free under creative commons license...
So the question is, does the person want to make money? If you want to make money, your going to need a label or already be famous.
If not, sure, make an album host it somewhere and spread it. Cyberneticka does that and hes well known enough. All his stuff is free.
no my main agenda is to have my tunes played out in clubs.
only my concern is that without a label putting my tunes out,
will only lead to well nothing.
Find out how clubs work, how they get their tunes, and integrate yourself. Look for club magazines and such, or go directly to the clubs and give them the tracks, if they like it i am certain they will play them. You need to learn to advertise yourself. Slapping a track on myspace and telling people on TA about it doesn't get you club play.
Also, i'm 99.9% certain there are atleast a thousand free trance netlabels/compilations that put out stuff every once in awhile. Most of them accept any good tracks given to them.
Look up FEOM i think they do a trance compilation every 6 months or something. I know they sure like to spam my inbox with news every day :P
cool and thanks for the input.one or two off my tunes have been played out in clubs. and so far so good. i am aware off course things wont happen over night.
was interested to hear if any one or body made it with out a label.
i started a digital only label to release only my own stuff. its really fun and u have total control yourself and fuck everyone else kinda. its good to be free. i dont earn shit tho but i dont care about that, its about the satisfaction around doing everything myself, not needing to take shit from anyone. not sure u really need a label anymore either whats the point? start up a "label" with the same name as your artist name. like underworld did with underworld live.
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| Originally posted by palm i started a digital only label to release only my own stuff. its really fun and u have total control yourself and fuck everyone else kinda. its good to be free. i dont earn shit tho but i dont care about that, its about the satisfaction around doing everything myself, not needing to take shit from anyone. not sure u really need a label anymore either whats the point? start up a "label" with the same name as your artist name. like underworld did with underworld live. |
Make a website, get some content [your own music, or others] and spam it everywhere.
http://www.cybernetika.de/ does the same thing. And its funny because people still torrent his stuff..lawl
I've been thinking about this lately. Whats the point of releasing it yourself when no one is going to hear it, buy it, or play it without a label properly getting the music in front of people for you? Then again, releasing it yourself you have the advantage of owning your music, though it might not get far, but you own it. So its really a double edged sword. The best situation is when you can release through a label and retain rights to your music. I mean if its good music, but the label doesn't do enough to sell the music, then i'd definately want to keep the rights, so that I can release it myself, or just have it as my own property. In this day and age with the easing of releasing our own music, we should be able to request this of labels. For me to start my own label and release music on my own, would be when I know the ins and outs of running a label and can manage some viability for my music, and other artist's music I may sign. The biggest concern I have is distribution methods, outlets, and partners, especially because im interested in releasing Vinyl alongside Digital.
Problem is virtually noone is interested in buying vinyl.
I hope you didn't sign the standard Armada contracts btw... They're terrible (and killing the dutch trance scene singlehandedly).
whats involved in creating your own label? you might not be able to do the marketing involved, but if you had your own label you could technically get your stuff on beatport etc: using a distibutor, is this possible?
what does it take to be a label, be a registered business?
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| Originally posted by nicknack using a distibutor, is this possible? |
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what does it take to be a label, be a registered business? |
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| Originally posted by Storyteller I hope you didn't sign the standard Armada contracts btw... They're terrible (and killing the dutch trance scene singlehandedly). |
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| Originally posted by Storyteller Problem is virtually noone is interested in buying vinyl. I hope you didn't sign the standard Armada contracts btw... They're terrible (and killing the dutch trance scene singlehandedly). |
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| Originally posted by lenieNt Force Could you elaborate on that? |
for his entire life. On top of that no royalties over the first 500 vinyl sales (and of course it won't make the 500 mark) and just 15% royalties on digital sales. That's just crazy. Oh and they starting making trouble on publishing too because he has a different publisher than the in-house publishing of Armada.
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| like the business recently with the intuition podcast where he said that menno de jong isn't allowed to play any armada material... WHAT KIND OF LABEL DOESN"T WANT PROMOTION!?!? |
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| Originally posted by Storyteller Well I recently heard from a friend that signed (after 2 months of hard negotiating) that the original contract handed over exclusive rights to armada over his artist name and merchandise for his entire life. On top of that no royalties over the first 500 vinyl sales (and of course it won't make the 500 mark) and just 15% royalties on digital sales. That's just crazy. |
I'm not 100% sure if it's a standard contract, however he made it seem like it was.
We're talking about an established producer here that had over a 60 individual (remix) releases. And a lot of those releases feature multiple tracks. 
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| Originally posted by EgosXII haha that's mad how did you know where to start and stuff tho? did ya get onto beatport etc? |
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| Originally posted by palm I made a simple website and contacted audiojelly, trackitdown etc etc with a promo of the tunes i was planning to release in the start. got deals with them pretty fast and then everything was up. Beatport was abit harder but i got deal there too now and sales are bigger there. I havent released anything since summer/fall though so I might loose the deal with beatport if I dont hurry up and get things around, which I hopefully will this easter. My music is released on audiojelly, beatport, dance-tunes, djdownload and trackitdown and all of them are great, simple and provides good service so distributors are waste of time and money imo, they only fuck up your releases with wrong names, error in mp3 decoding etc etc, the list is long how much stuff that can be fucked up with a release if u dont handle everything yourself, the industri are packed with retard drugheads that just dont understand computers and that kind of technology. All of the mp3-sites mentioned have good "import new release" procedures if u are abit technicaly gifted computer wise. If ur into it for cash and fame this is not the route to go though unless u have a good network for promoting yourself or a really special sound in your tracks. I have neither and I dont care but I like my music to be avaliable for those who are interested, and some seems to be. Thats all really, its not alot of work and why should these stupid big labels get the little amount of money your tracks might make? They dont do shit for you. I have a few releases around on Club Elite, J00F and Bonzai and I regret all of them, Id rather put them on my own label so I could atleast look at the sales-numbers. I actually asked all of them if I could break up the contract and re-release the tracks on my own label, without luck. Im never signing a contract again |
I think the bigger question is, is it usefull to run your own label to release your tracks, regardless if you're going to make money or not. Because if we face the facts, very little EDM producers make good money out of this business.
personally, I don't think its worth it to setup your own label and releasing your stuff. The interesting thing of signing to a 'established' label, is that they won't sign your track unless it has a certain quality. If you create your own label, you can release any shitty track you make (not saying that you do!). I think that that's the most important reason for trying to sign to a 'established' label. And I don't think it's a good reason to set up your own label just to release your stuff. If you want to get you stuff out there, there are lot's of oppertunities to do so.
Sure, I think most producers love to run there own label - so do I -, but there are so many labels these days, that you have a very small chance of making it thru, unless you sign some major artists to your label.
So, in conclusion, I think you should try to get tracks signed at a 'established' label instead of setting up your own! If you really want to sell you tracks (because you think they should be heard), on Audiojelly there is a unsigned artist section. I don't have any experience with that but maybe it's worth it to check it out.
I disagree on a lot of parts.
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| Originally posted by Theran personally, I don't think its worth it to setup your own label and releasing your stuff. The interesting thing of signing to a 'established' label, is that they won't sign your track unless it has a certain quality. If you create your own label, you can release any shitty track you make (not saying that you do!). I think that that's the most important reason for trying to sign to a 'established' label. And I don't think it's a good reason to set up your own label just to release your stuff. If you want to get you stuff out there, there are lot's of oppertunities to do so. |
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| Sure, I think most producers love to run there own label - so do I -, but there are so many labels these days, that you have a very small chance of making it thru, unless you sign some major artists to your label. |
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| So, in conclusion, I think you should try to get tracks signed at a 'established' label instead of setting up your own! If you really want to sell you tracks (because you think they should be heard), on Audiojelly there is a unsigned artist section. I don't have any experience with that but maybe it's worth it to check it out. |
The problem with EDM in general is that a huge amount of every fan of the music is a DJ, Producer or something like that himself.
Its a saturated marked, and i would guess that most track sells for 2 weeks to then disappear from the face of the earth.
And not only that, but the DJs actually playing the music has most likely gotten the track for free by promo.
So if you are gonna make it, you have to constantly come up with new releases otherwise you will be forgotten.
Never thought of it in that way. If what you're stating is true, that it's maybe a good thing to do it!
Only problem I see is, that if everybody does that, you'll end up having as much labels as there are artists and what's that going to do for the music business
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| Originally posted by Theran Never thought of it in that way. If what you're stating is true, that it's maybe a good thing to do it! Only problem I see is, that if everybody does that, you'll end up having as much labels as there are artists and what's that going to do for the music business |
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| Originally posted by Theran Never thought of it in that way. If what you're stating is true, that it's maybe a good thing to do it! Only problem I see is, that if everybody does that, you'll end up having as much labels as there are artists and what's that going to do for the music business |
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