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Posted by raconteur on Apr-02-2009 19:44:

Ableton 8 released!

sweet

Posted by Numb on Apr-02-2009 19:49:

boooo

Posted by DjWoody on Apr-02-2009 20:28:

I'm gonna upgrade. But I'm undecided if I should upgrade to the Suite ($349), Suite Boxed ($399, or the regular upgrade ($199).

What you guys think?

Posted by phantom limb on Apr-02-2009 20:59:

Ableton has not made enough additions/adjustments to the software to justify upgrading and dishing out a couple hundred dollars. Annual releases are just a sleazy way to pick up some extra cash. Actual significant technological advances deserve releases. Seriously...

Posted by derail on Apr-02-2009 22:10:

Yes, I don't agree with Ableton's revenue model. The makers of the other sequencers I own (Propellerheads - Reason and Steinberg - Cubase) seem to have much more significant changes between versions. It seems that Live is upgraded every single year, whether there's good cause for it or not. They just release the new version with whatever they've managed to work on in the meantime. I'm still on version 5, which does what I want it do fine, rewired into Cubase. At some point if I feel it is different enough, I'll just pay for the full version again (I'm sure someone will post a really long list of all the "massive, fundamental" new features that have been introduced in the meantime....) Already it's cheaper for me to do that than to upgrade.

On the other hand, good luck to them. They're a business, and they want to make money. Businesses need to make money. The current system is working well for them, it would seem. And version 5 is working well for me.

Posted by Zombie0729 on Apr-02-2009 22:54:

quote:
Originally posted by derail
Yes, I don't agree with Ableton's revenue model. The makers of the other sequencers I own (Propellerheads - Reason and Steinberg - Cubase) seem to have much more significant changes between versions. It seems that Live is upgraded every single year, whether there's good cause for it or not. They just release the new version with whatever they've managed to work on in the meantime. I'm still on version 5, which does what I want it do fine, rewired into Cubase. At some point if I feel it is different enough, I'll just pay for the full version again (I'm sure someone will post a really long list of all the "massive, fundamental" new features that have been introduced in the meantime....) Already it's cheaper for me to do that than to upgrade.

On the other hand, good luck to them. They're a business, and they want to make money. Businesses need to make money. The current system is working well for them, it would seem. And version 5 is working well for me.

i think apples & oranges here. Ableton came onto the scene not as a production tool, more of a live integration tool. It has slowly developed into what it is and as more people ask for more features for both live use & production use ableton is forced to do a huge amount of work. Cubase and most others can focus on just being 1 thing, Ableton really has 2 large groups of consumers seeking different but similar end results.

oh & in before kenneth thomas

Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-03-2009 00:12:

I have no problem with Ableton making bank.

Posted by kitphillips on Apr-03-2009 03:38:

FUCKEN YEAH

Ableton should have brought in most of these features for the last version, thats what everyone was clearly wanting. But at least we'll get them now... AND Max 5 for live soon...

Posted by Lolo on Apr-03-2009 04:08:

quote:
Originally posted by phantom limb
Ableton has not made enough additions/adjustments to the software to justify upgrading and dishing out a couple hundred dollars. Annual releases are just a sleazy way to pick up some extra cash. Actual significant technological advances deserve releases. Seriously...

that's a very subjective judgement. After testing the beta I think it's a true v8 we have here.

That said... I think the upgrade fee is way too expensive. It's almost the price I paid for a full Ableton Live 1.5 back in 2001. 99 Euros used to be fair. This is... dunno. :-(

Posted by daveth on Apr-03-2009 06:30:

Posted by Lolo on Apr-03-2009 07:54:

if you consider step record, vocoder, the new dynamics processors, the new operator, the new warping engine, and the license for the new complex-pro alogrithm not an upgrade, then I wonder what you'd need exactly, what your wishes are.

The upgrade fee (149�) only annoys me, it's slightly too expensive, probably due to the license that Ableton have to pay for. They didn't develop the warping engines, those are coming straight from Z-plane. And I think it costs thousands of euros.

So, let's not blame Ableton too quickly like I did on their forums earlier this year.

And besides that, many people in this industry, artists of ours are still releasing entire albums that they made with illegal copies of Live, claiming they have no money,then they buy 2000$ laptops for e-mail and facebook. I won't give you names, but this behaviour really makes me sick. This is why indie developers such as Ableton must charge their legal customers so much money.

I wish all developers could work together on a monthly-subscription system. That should be fair enough so anyone could afford that damn thing.

I'll upgrade this weekend as after all I am quite happy with the new features. Lil bit pricey, but still less than 10% of my Korg X3 back in 1994 :-)

Posted by Acton on Apr-03-2009 11:40:

What?!?!

I thought this release was ages away!

I haven't quite saved up enough money yet lol.

Posted by Sean Walsh on Apr-03-2009 14:29:

The upgrade is well worth it for me. Tons of new features -- seriously what were you guys expecting if this doesn't meet your rather lofty expectations?

It's not exactly cheap, but meh Lolo brings up a really good point -- most people are happy to shell out $300-500 for a new piece of kit, but complain about the price of software because they know it's a torrent away.

Posted by kitphillips on Apr-05-2009 05:06:

I would have thought that about $150 would have been a good asking price on this update. Its not that it falls short (although theres things its missing) but its just too expensive (esp. in the current economy) to be widely accepted.

They're stupid to price themselves out of the market like that, it just means more people will pirate it, and those people won't go back to buying again. If they dropped the prices (like logic did) a couple of hundred dollars, they'd get a lot more customers IMO.

LOLO, I think a lot of people justify the $2000 they might spend on a laptop by saying its for work/school as well as music. Its hard to justify spending $850 on a piece of software which you're never going to make a profit out of.

I think ableton have been slipping TBH, they're including less and less in the updates and asking more and more for them. The only real changes are the new warping engine (great, but should have been done in the last version when we asked for it), crossfades (ditto) groove quantise (ditto) and some new devices which most people won't use because they already have third party stuff.

All the update does is bring live further into line with cubase and logic in terms of features. Max4live is the only thing thats making me think they're still interested in innovating.

Posted by Beatflux on Apr-05-2009 07:30:

How is the new Operator?

Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-05-2009 08:13:

quote:
Originally posted by kitphillips
I would have thought that about $150 would have been a good asking price on this update. Its not that it falls short (although theres things its missing) but its just too expensive (esp. in the current economy) to be widely accepted.

They're stupid to price themselves out of the market like that, it just means more people will pirate it, and those people won't go back to buying again. If they dropped the prices (like logic did) a couple of hundred dollars, they'd get a lot more customers IMO.

LOLO, I think a lot of people justify the $2000 they might spend on a laptop by saying its for work/school as well as music. Its hard to justify spending $850 on a piece of software which you're never going to make a profit out of.

I think ableton have been slipping TBH, they're including less and less in the updates and asking more and more for them. The only real changes are the new warping engine (great, but should have been done in the last version when we asked for it), crossfades (ditto) groove quantise (ditto) and some new devices which most people won't use because they already have third party stuff.

All the update does is bring live further into line with cubase and logic in terms of features. Max4live is the only thing thats making me think they're still interested in innovating.

The people who actually buy products like this, get their money's worth and then some. Its expensive for the people would have cracked anyways. So they dont lose much, the same amount of people who are going to buy the program will buy it, because Ableton's multiple uses, between production and live gigging. Ableton ultimately runs a software business, they already have a great product in Ableton 7, but they cant ride Ableton 7 forever, especially with its diminishing returns as time goes by. So they have to bring out a new version + some new updates and patchwork, even if they are minimal. These software companies get enough money stolen from them, I dont see why anyone can complain about how much it costs or how much they charge. If its worth it to your goals, buy it, if it isnt, move on or crack it like you said people will because its too expensive. They would lose more money if they dropped the price, since the type of people who actually buy products like Ableton, see the value well past $300-$400.

Posted by echosystm on Apr-05-2009 08:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Kismet7
The people who actually buy products like this, get their money's worth and then some. Its expensive for the people would have cracked anyways. So they dont lose much, the same amount of people who are going to buy the program will buy it, because Ableton's multiple uses, between production and live gigging. Ableton ultimately runs a software business, they already have a great product in Ableton 7, but they cant ride Ableton 7 forever, especially with its diminishing returns as time goes by. So they have to bring out a new version + some new updates and patchwork, even if they are minimal. These software companies get enough money stolen from them, I dont see why anyone can complain about how much it costs or how much they charge. If its worth it to your goals, buy it, if it isnt, move on or crack it like you said people will because its too expensive. They would lose more money if they dropped the price, since the type of people who actually buy products like Ableton, see the value well past $300-$400.

you're wrong.

Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-05-2009 08:45:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
you're wrong.

Have you ever been right? Hence...your wrong again =)

I thought you were ignoring me? Liar! ;p

Posted by echosystm on Apr-05-2009 09:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Kismet7
Have you ever been right?

i am always right and you are always wrong. that is why you are wrong now. you don't even understand.

Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-05-2009 09:31:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
i am always right and you are always wrong. that is why you are wrong now. you don't even understand.

your always a moron. and a waste of time. and by the looks of your engagements with me, you will always be one. cheers!

Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-05-2009 09:45:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
you're wrong.

By the way...feel free to elaborate.

Posted by echosystm on Apr-05-2009 09:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Kismet7
your always a moron.

"you're"

Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-05-2009 09:54:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
"you're"

yah ok, "echosystm" ?!? Good job at consistent fails.

Posted by EgosXII on Apr-05-2009 13:44:

quote:
Originally posted by echosystm
"you're"

Posted by SgtFoo on Apr-05-2009 19:38:

I think the Ableton team deserves the cash cuz most of their releases get pirated to shit, and then none of you ever pay for Live, and then Ableton takes a huge loss and their engineers go to work for another sequencer company, or worse... and then it's the end of the world... right?... exactly!

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