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Here I said it all !! Detailed reasons why every EDM fan HATES Opera..
Well I am not much of a "negative" poster but I am surpised no-one had bad things to say about that whole experience...I don't know whether Armin, Liquified, or Opera is to blame...but I suspect a combination of all three...Let me explain before people try to defend their beloved Armin.
1. Armin - If you had any idea how much he got paid that night it would absolutely make your head spin. I caught wind of it from some people who had those connections and let's just say it is more than alot of entire families make in a year. That is absolutely disgusting. NOW you know why those of you who decided to wait and pay at the door got charged $60. Although I did hear some paid only $50. I guess if you look "cool enough" or of the right sex Opera alters their prices or the door guys decided to not take their tip off the top.
2. Opera - The Nazis (I mean er employees) act like they are the Gestapo. I am pretty sure they have close to the power that our Congress does because they sure act like it. Herding the sheeple through as they decide - shining flashlights everywhere looking for any reason to make you a "criminal". You can't stand here, you can't walk here. If you went to another room to grab a drink, they would not let you back in until the room Nazi decided it was ok, even though you paid your sixty dollars (I am fully aware that ticket prices go up closer to the day of show so I do not need to know that. Point is that there were people there that paid sixty bucks and were held in other rooms for extended periods of time while the dj they paid that money for was playing their favorite track.)....
3. Liquified - Look I don't need you to defend yourself because I fully realize that there are more intimate nights like Acosta Friday at a smaller venue and that Armin is a big dj that many people want to see. But the amount of people in that place was just absolutely beyond reason. If you come out to see a dj like Armin people hope/expect the night to be at a capacity where it is enjoyable. I do not know if the capacity of that building was oversold, but you could not move without some person ramming into you every 3 seconds and 5 persons arm or back sweat on you within a ten second period. I ask you "How is this enjoyable?" Is it greed on your part too? Cram as many heads in there so Armin, Liquified, and Opera can bankroll at the expense of the fans? The majority of the people that are even fans had their tickets far in advance...And we could not even enjoy the night or move in the humid sauna because the 18 year old hip hops fan heard it was "cool" and gonna be packed and bought their tickets last minute to take up space and ruin the time of all the EDM fans. Oh and if you wanted to walk upstairs to breathe it was $50 a person. So, I spent like 90% of my night outside listening to Armin's set through the tiny speakers just to keep my sanity.
There are many who have been disenfranchised with the whole Opera experience, and I have just taken it for what it was and rolled with it. But there comes a point where too much is too much. When you can't have a good time for what should be such an amazing night because of all of the aforementioned factors, that time has come where it is too much. There are very few shows I have missed over the last 4 years since I moved to Atlanta. But at this point, I do not intend to go to any more shows at the "Sweatbox" and play bumper cars, Nazi guard-Jewish prisoner, or give my funds to the Bernie Madoffs. May go to Rank 1 just because it is Rank 1 and I don't have a choice of venue. But my desire to go to the other shows at Opera are far outweighed by the negative factors which concurrently move to destroy the euphoric experience.
Welcome aboard 
I doubt Rank 1 will be crowded, but I really don't see how any one enjoys anything at that venue anymore. I've only gone for Digweed after my bad experience, and that's it.
true on the low turn out for Rank one, I am going but your not going to see a large under 18 crowd for this. Mainly old school peeps. Would have likened a better venue for Rank but isn't that always the case with the venue formally known as axis.
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Welcome aboard indeed.
I'm really hoping Markus doesn't actually draw a crowd. I love him, I want him to know he's appreciated here, but I do not want to have to spend my night outside (just like you!) just to be able to breathe while listening to the music which is the sole reason I go to these events.
If it wasn't for the fact that I have a man crush on Markus Schulz, Armin would've been my last event.
Rank 1 and ATB are in the danger zone of getting dropped just because I do not think I ever want to step in Opera again after Markus. How my night goes in 3 weeks will greatly affect if I ever go to Opera again or any event for that matter.
I'm only 23, and as cliche as it is, I really am getting too old for this shit.
You really shouldn't blame Armin or Liquified by the way. Does Armin get paid a lot more than he should? Ya. But that's supply and demand my friend. Opera is the problem though. They oversell capacity for these, they raise the price from $50 to $60 randomly, they overcharge for drinks, their staff are the assholes.
DJs to stay away from:
Armin van Buuren
Tiesto
Paul van Dyk
Just a head's up. Do not ever see these DJs if you want to be able to actually move around and dance to the music...let alone breathe. They get so many fake fans. I really wish they would make it a requirement to actually name a song these guys have produced to get entrance.
Ya, partying becomes a pain in the ass...
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| Originally posted by trancension I really wish they would make it a requirement to actually name a song these guys have produced to get entrance. |
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| Originally posted by trancension Just a head's up. Do not ever see these DJs if you want to be able to actually move around and dance to the music...let alone breathe. They get so many fake fans. I really wish they would make it a requirement to actually name a song these guys have produced to get entrance. |
They don't really go to have fun though is my whole point...they go to hit on the 18 year old girls or to be hit on by random guys and bought drinks and just to say "I went to this trance show the other night!"
Their money and all. But really...they don't go to have fun. At least it doesn't look like it.
I'm talking about the groups and groups of people who just keep walking around looking all judgmental and condescending about those of us who are actually enjoying the music.
The few times I've been sober and in reality at these things...I've really noticed these people. At Armin and Tiesto and Paul van Dyk anyways.
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| Originally posted by trancension They don't really go to have fun though is my whole point...they go to hit on the 18 year old girls or to be hit on by random guys and bought drinks and just to say "I went to this trance show the other night!" Their money and all. But really...they don't go to have fun. At least it doesn't look like it. I'm talking about the groups and groups of people who just keep walking around looking all judgmental and condescending about those of us who are actually enjoying the music. The few times I've been sober and in reality at these things...I've really noticed these people. At Armin and Tiesto and Paul van Dyk anyways. |
And before you or someone else chimes in with "that's their way of having fun" - don't. You know what I mean.
Those people just make it so crowded and they are obviously not there to listen to the music. That's my whole point. I'm sure they have fun coming out and doing whatever it is they do walking around shoving people out of their way and giving us dirty looks. But they're clearly not their having fun listening to the music.
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And I was too late.
You went ahead and made the dumb retort that I knew you would make. ugh.
Not really dumb. They paid $60 to drink with their friends at a show. Isn't this America?
It's dumb because he knew what I meant, but is trying to play devil's advocate.
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| Originally posted by iammesol Isn't this America? |
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| Originally posted by trancension It's dumb because he knew what I meant, but is trying to play devil's advocate. |
I was exaggerating to make a point on how these people do not come out to listen to the music. Like I would actually expect people to be able to name a song...
You apparently don't get sarcasm or just like arguing over the internet. Either way, you're being dumb and whether or not you mean to, are adamantly trying to fill the shoes of devil's advocate in this issue.
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| Originally posted by trancension I was exaggerating to make a point on how these people do not come out to listen to the music. Like I would actually expect people to be able to name a song... You apparently don't get sarcasm or just like arguing over the internet. Either way, you're being dumb and whether or not you mean to, are adamantly trying to fill the shoes of devil's advocate in this issue. |
Elitist?
No.
Sarcastic, bitter music enthusiast who doesn't like being pushed out of his spot by a random group of people who aren't even listening to the music?
Yes.
I think we should judge how crowded it going to be maybe by looking at the views on the wanttickets.com page....I know Armin had like around 3000 views when I looked....And not sure of the capacity of Opera...But lets just say for theory that half of the people that viewed it bought tickets...That is 1500 tickets right there. And that is not even counting the people that purchase at the door. Also remember their "capacity" is including the halls, huge back 2 rooms and outdoor area. But who wants to be there when the djs are playing...So really the capacity for our general purposes is around 500 probably, maybe 700 if you count VIP...And that is that front room fully packed...So go figure....3000 hits on the page, maybe 1500 purchases, and only 700 can fit in the main room. Those are all estimates of course but you get the point.
RITM currenty has 673 and Markus has 347. I would say when around 1500 is when you start getting into the danger zone. I may start using this as a reference point. For example, if you look at Acosta tonight, it already has 720 hits when the capacity is 400. It will be a sardine can in there. Only about maybe 80 can comfortably fit on that dance floor...And at half of 720 making a purchase, you already have 360 tickets sold and I'm sure more will sell at the door.
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| Originally posted by trancension Elitist? No. Sarcastic, bitter music enthusiast who doesn't like being pushed out of his spot by a random group of people who aren't even listening to the music? Yes. |
moments was the Ti�sto In Concert dvd. The amount of people, length of time playing, and music just blitzed me. But then, when I actually started going out and realized what that looked like from the inside, I despised it.
yeah the patrons don't go to opera to hear the most innovative and new dance music...
they go to sleep mickeys into minnies' drinks...
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| Originally posted by spainj125 I think we should judge how crowded it going to be maybe by looking at the views on the wanttickets.com page....I know Armin had like around 3000 views when I looked....And not sure of the capacity of Opera...But lets just say for theory that half of the people that viewed it bought tickets...That is 1500 tickets right there. And that is not even counting the people that purchase at the door. Also remember their "capacity" is including the halls, huge back 2 rooms and outdoor area. But who wants to be there when the djs are playing...So really the capacity for our general purposes is around 500 probably, maybe 700 if you count VIP...And that is that front room fully packed...So go figure....3000 hits on the page, maybe 1500 purchases, and only 700 can fit in the main room. Those are all estimates of course but you get the point. RITM currenty has 673 and Markus has 347. I would say when around 1500 is when you start getting into the danger zone. I may start using this as a reference point. For example, if you look at Acosta tonight, it already has 720 hits when the capacity is 400. It will be a sardine can in there. Only about maybe 80 can comfortably fit on that dance floor...And at half of 720 making a purchase, you already have 360 tickets sold and I'm sure more will sell at the door. |
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| Originally posted by inferno :facepalm: please don't try to guess how many people bought a ticket because of how many people viewed a url |
I've been putting up with it for the last 6 or so years because I enjoy going out with my friends listening to music I enjoy. I would even argue 2003-2006, it wasn't anything like this. Crowded yes..."fake fans" yes...but not this crowded with this many people who aren't actually listening to the music.
But it's definitely been a growing pain the last 2 years. Guess I'm just reaching critical mass, and this is an outlet for me to vent.
AMEN! I used to enjoy going out, and I'll still sacrifice for certain artists... but Opera tends to RUIN my experience in one way or another every show I've made it out to, lately. After RITM (and unless someone just as rare/epic comes through), I WILL NOT put my money into that venue.
Once again James, I have to say you are right. Some of these guys just want to argue, especially that guy, but I've always been of the belief people should go for the music. They should have some knowledge of the dj and the music besides "he's the #1 dj." I mean, I guess it's their business if they want to pay 50 bucks to stand around and act stupid, but still. I know there's no way to keep them out, but these shows should have way less people allowed in.
As far as the Opera thing, I've pretty much gone over to the hate Opera side even though I have been a defender of it. I've never been treated harshly by the staff as far as I remember. My biggest thing is the crowd. The club just attracts the worst people. I don't know who's fault it is, but they definately should not allow over selling of the tickets. There should be a set limit so everyone can move comfortably instead of just packing as many people as possible. I honestly didn't care much at all that I missed Armin. I wouldn't have wanted to deal with that. I do believe Markus, ATB and maybe Rank 1 will be my last times out for a while. I would also be up for it if any of the smaller names came to town. But as far as big names like Armin, Tiesto, PVD, I will skip. I miss the times like Above and Beyond in 07. Too bad it looks like they now attract a lot more posers too.
And Sam, with the whole Trance to House thing, you've solved the problem of dealing with big crowds, but then we're giving up the music we love.
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