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So, someone made a video from our song

Some Japanese dude stole our song and made a...uh...I suppose you could call it a video...out of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moG14xzdDxk

Not sure if I should be pissed off that people are using our tracks without our permission or grateful for the free exposure. I'm actually kinda flattered and I'm glad that he credited it appropriately, but that song has gotten some attention from labels, so I probably should have taken it off my server. And, asking for my permission would have been nice, but, oh well...

I'm sure this has happened to some of you guys - what's your take on it?

Uhm, the girls look good?

SUE YOURTUBE!!!11twelve Get the MONIES!


I haven't had it happen to me, yet, but I tend to think that it's more of a promotional opportunity. I've found a lot of music surfing YouTube. I'd leave it, but would also heed any advice you receive from a reputable label PR person.

To be honest, I thought of posting my own tunes on YouTube as a marketing avenue, but thought it was a little too self-aggrandizing.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker To be honest, I thought of posting my own tunes on YouTube as a marketing avenue, but thought it was a little too self-aggrandizing.

Actually, I think it's a great idea and we've been toying with the idea for quite some time now. I think it's a great way to set yourself apart from most of the crowd and I don't think of it as self-aggrandizing at all. In fact, I'd love to see videos from TA members. The biggest problems IMO are the crappy sound quality of youtube (makes the myspace player sound hi-fi!) and the cost of video production.

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Originally posted by Numb Uhm, the girls look good?

They did? I'm married, so I didn't notice. I especially didn't notice the brunette at 2:59.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Actually, I think it's a great idea and we've been toying with the idea for quite some time now. I think it's a great way to set yourself apart from most of the crowd and I don't think of it as self-aggrandizing at all. In fact, I'd love to see videos from TA members. The biggest problems IMO are the crappy sound quality of youtube (makes the myspace player sound hi-fi!) and the cost of video production.

I have Nero and could probably do a slide-show with that (It is so god-awful a program but it will put slides to music). Someone was asking about video editors, in an earlier thread.

YouTube has a High Quality option, on it, but I tend to agree with you - that the sound is not very listenable, overall.

I'll admit to having an ulterior motive (which, on even a cursory inspection seems more self-aggrandizing) for not posting it, myself, and that is that it seems like it will be more effective to have had someone do it "for" you. It also seems like you have the benefit of interaction with your target market. Essentially, you have the benefit of someone "reacting" to your work with what, ostensibly, is their impression.

In that regard, congrats!

And that is a really solid song, BTW.

Good points, Eddie!

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Originally posted by EddieZilker In that regard, congrats! And that is a really solid song, BTW.

Thanks and thanks!

BTW, did you go to Central Michigan? I grew up in Muskegon, lived in East Lansing for about 9 years while a student/grad student at MSU (Go Spartans!) before moving to Cali. Some of my bands used to play frat parties, festivals, and bars (The Bird) back in the early 90s - Mount Pleasant is a great town!

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Originally posted by cryophonik Good points, Eddie! Thanks and thanks! BTW, did you go to Central Michigan? I grew up in Muskegon, lived in East Lansing for about 9 years while a student/grad student at MSU (Go Spartans!) before moving to Cali. Some of my bands used to play frat parties, festivals, and bars (The Bird) back in the early 90s - Mount Pleasant is a great town!

My girlfriend has an old T-shirt from The Bird!

I actually moved here after meeting her, on-line. I'm not going to school here even though there are a couple of classes I might audit, if I get the chance. I've spent most of my life in Austin, TX, Denver, CO, or the Atlanta Metropolitan area, so a town the size of Mount Pleasant is a bit of a change, in a culture-shock sort of way.

I will say that this is one of the most beautiful places I've lived.

I know this is way off on a tangent but how do you know he's Japanese? The dude's profile says Bulgaria, for what it's worth.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I know this is way off on a tangent but how do you know he's Japanese? The dude's profile says Bulgaria, for what it's worth.

Oops. Yeah, you're right - I didn't notice that. For some reason, I thought I saw some Japanese writing.

Well anyway, I think pretty much every track with any commercial success eventually ends up as the background music to a static image or totally irrelevant video on YouTube, so take it as a compliment!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Well anyway, I think pretty much every track with any commercial success eventually ends up as the background music to a static image or totally irrelevant video on YouTube, so take it as a compliment!

Sig worthy!

If I were into that sort of thing.

Putting music out in a digital form, and getting mad if people use it.

Is like butting a sticker on your car that says "ram me" and then getting mad that people rammed you.

I run a label, but take my advice with a grain of salt. We are just now beginning distribution this month.

But my only concern would be is if there is a high quality copy (full of course) floating around out there. A shitty copy being played on youtube isn't a big deal. I'd rather it not be a full copy, because some noob DJs will play 128kbps mp3s and also share them. In general, any full copy that is available by direct download or through something a person can rip, at any kbps, is discouraging, but certainly not a back breaker.

Now that's just what I think in terms of the label aspect.

As for personal aspects, I would be glad somebody liked it and decided to do that. If they have a full 320, or even a full copy, that is your own fault if you're trying to do the label deal. I havn't looked, but how far down does this video come up on a google search? I personally don't search youtube when vetting out a track, but I always look on google.

Good points, Stephen. It's actually a 192kbps version, so mid-quality. Like I said earlier, it's kinda flattering, so I'm really not pissed about it. It's actually my personal favorite of all our/my songs, so it's cool to know that others think it's pirate-worthy.

Since the song hasn't been "released", it only comes up in a handful of google search returns.

This happens often, ive had "videos" made from some of my tunes as well on youtube.

In fact almost every song out there gets youtubed like this, if someone likes it.

Only difference is they actually bothered to switch pictures on yours from time to time.

You should take it as a compliment

LOL, I'm sorta experiencing the same, only not with Youtube. Two of my tracks have been released on the 2nd of April, and when I enter there names in Google, there are more illegal downloads than I can click ..

Somehow, it's flattering , on the other side, it's pretty shitty.

i think you should be more concerned about the full quality mp3s you have in your website (flash player), anyone can either just record them or download them from the mp3player playlist file. if they are signed tracks that is (which they should be, sounds like a good and professional track)

like said pretty much every track is on youtube, but most of them are mono and/or bad quality, so they're mainly for preview and promotional purposes. if bad quality track is good enough for someone then he deserves to get it for free
(yes i know there are some really hq tracks in youtube too, but most are not)

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I got it from cryophonik's site.. nice job I hope you're not mad at me. Once again Great work keep doing it

lollers take it off your website if you don't want people jacking it!

noobsters

This hasn't happened to me, but in general I wouldn't worry about a youtube video with your track, only if you see your track in a file sharing site. If it really bothers you just PM the guy on Youtube and ask him to take it down.

P.S.
Good work on that track.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Good points, Stephen. It's actually a 192kbps version, so mid-quality. Like I said earlier, it's kinda flattering, so I'm really not pissed about it. It's actually my personal favorite of all our/my songs, so it's cool to know that others think it's pirate-worthy. Since the song hasn't been "released", it only comes up in a handful of google search returns.

You should be glad, Youtube is a resource used by DJs all the time for researching new music. Besides, its a complement, and its not like its good quality enough to want to listen to.

Your only concern is that its not signed yet, you shouldn't release your tracks if your planning on getting them signed IMO, it makes it harder for labels to promote your stuff.

Lulz. No internet exposure.

But I randomly sold a CD to some dude in Oregon on CDBABY.
Well it turns out that a friend of a friend of a friend knew him, and played some of his sets from Oregon for me.

It was really surprising to hear my tracks in the set, lol.

But then again... I got a few bucks for that CD, and you didn't, however internet exposure is global. Mine was limited to Corvalis!

---Adam

Re: So, someone made a video from our song

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Putting music out in a digital form, and getting mad if people use it

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take it off your website if you don't want people jacking it!

I don't recall getting mad or saying that I was angry about him jacking it. However, I do recall stating exactly the opposite :

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Originally posted by cryophonik I'm actually kinda flattered and I'm glad that he credited it appropriately...

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Originally posted by cryophonik And, asking for my permission would have been nice, but, oh well...

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Originally posted by cryophonik Like I said earlier, it's kinda flattering, so I'm really not pissed about it. It's actually my personal favorite of all our/my songs, so it's cool to know that others think it's pirate-worthy

never said you were mad

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Originally posted by kitphillips You should be glad, Youtube is a resource used by DJs all the time for researching new music. Besides, its a complement, and its not like its good quality enough to want to listen to. Your only concern is that its not signed yet, you shouldn't release your tracks if your planning on getting them signed IMO, it makes it harder for labels to promote your stuff.

Agreed. There is a very noticeable difference in the sound quality of the youtube version vs. the version on my flash player. I also agree with your second point, but as some of you guys may already know from some of my previous threads, getting songs signed is not a priority for me. This particular song generated some inquiries from several labels (and countless DJs wanting to remix it) after I posted it. If we were serious about pursuing it, I would've removed it from my server. Also, the one song of ours that did get signed was only posted on the server for a short time (early draft, 128kbps) to get some feedback over a year ago.

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