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(Quantizing?) Audio recordings

After using Reason for many years, I decided to purchase a JP-8000. After hooking it up to my PC, I used the recording function in Sound Forge to record my riffs. After that I add my effects and make the other necessary edits to the recording. Then I load it up in Acid, and try to loop it, along with my drum samples and everything else. Problem is, I have trouble keeping the recordings of the JP-8000 in time with my other samples and loops. With Reason, it was easy using the built-in sequencer and the quantize features...but I'm stumped on how to keep audio files looping smoothly. Also...do you guys use a metronome when you're trying to record at the right bpm? I don't like using the master tempo slider in acid...it throws everything else out of whack.

Help?

Unless you have uberleet playing skills there is no way you are able to record a sequence from the JP into soundforge and then import it in good sync with the project in Reason or Acid.

I usually record stuff on top of the track that im working on, Cubase has this neat feature called retrospective record, which means i just have to press play and start playing as or when i like, without actually recording.
If i feel it was worth keeping press shift+* to get the MIDI data to show, 100% correct to what i played including any modulation and then i can quantise the recording.

What you could do is get another sequencer to record with and then import it back to Reason.

I'm not using Reason anymore, though. I understand what you're saying about recording on top of the rest of your track. I can do that in Acid, but it's not a perfect solution. I want everything to be perfectly in-time.

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 I'm not using Reason anymore, though. I understand what you're saying about recording on top of the rest of your track. I can do that in Acid, but it's not a perfect solution. I want everything to be perfectly in-time.

Yeah, record on top of your track, or use metronome or whatever. And by recording i mean recording MIDI, which after recorded you apply quantize on it, and THEN you record the actual audio from the JP.
And then there is the delay compensation etc. many factors that can make it go off sync.
In Cubase everything is on time no matter what, but i dont know how well other sequencer works in this regard.

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Originally posted by Subtle And by recording i mean recording MIDI, which after recorded you apply quantize on it, and THEN you record the actual audio from the JP.

Oh I get it. You want the midi data to play the instrument for me while it's recording? I'm not sure how to do that, though.

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 Oh I get it. You want the midi data to play the instrument for me while it's recording? I'm not sure how to do that, though.

Yes exactly, i only know how to do this in Cubase, but maybe some others can help you with this.

You gotta use a click track or a kick+snare to play off of and time your playing perfect to the tempo, just do it over and over until you've recorded a perfect take. You should be able to get it to a point the margin of error is small enough that whatever mistake is remaining becomes musical. Or within the same sampler, assign the imperfect loop to two keys, and then alternate when the melody is triggered by switching between the two keys. Or you can make 2 seperate audio tracks playing the same loop, just have each taking turns on playing the melody, blending over eachother. Again to sound more musical instead of a loop that just abruptly starts again. This doesnt solve quantizing audio...since you really can't for a multi bar loop, but it can make small mistakes more musical. Try it out.

ps: how about rewiring to Reason?

Why aren't you recording straight in to acid? That way you're matching it to the bpm of the target track. You can also use a click track in acid to get you're timing right, as well as record the midi and edit that after to play back you're part in perfect quantisation.

AFAIK, all the plugins that you use should also be available to work in acid.

just get another sequencer where you can either control the synth with midi like any vsti/softsynth, or record and then quantize. after that export the audio to your main sequencer (acid or whatever you use).

you don't need a full version sequencer for this, since you don't have to save your project so just download a demo of any sequencer.

or alternatively free sequencers:
Ardour
Frinika (cross platform)
LMMS
MusE
MuseScore (cross platform)
Musette
Rosegarden
Seq24
Anvil Studio
Alien Disko Systems 3000
PUMP
Quartz Audio Master
Rave

i haven't tried all of them though..

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 Oh I get it. You want the midi data to play the instrument for me while it's recording? I'm not sure how to do that, though.

Btw, have you connected the JP with MIDI cables into your soundcard/MIDI interface ?
That is the most important thing you have to do, the rest is just simple routing the MIDI Ins and Outs in the sequencer.

why dont u try to write down your melody directly in the sequencer? or are u using arpegiator?

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Originally posted by palm why dont u try to write down your melody directly in the sequencer?

and how would you do that if your sequencer doesnt have midi?

lol i wont even answer one that one. how the hell do u do anything without midi? only using loops and oneshots?

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Originally posted by Subtle Btw, have you connected the JP with MIDI cables into your soundcard/MIDI interface ? That is the most important thing you have to do, the rest is just simple routing the MIDI Ins and Outs in the sequencer.

Yeah, all that's taken care of. I tried what you said, and it worked. You're my hero, Subtle.

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Originally posted by palm lol i wont even answer one that one. how the hell do u do anything without midi? only using loops and oneshots?

controlling vsti synths or build in softsynths with notation doesn't really count as midi support.

and acid isn't a midi sequencer like cubase and stuff, but more of an audio arranging tool.

as far as i know reason doesn't have midi support either, it does have a midi in feature for midi keyboards, but no midi out to control external gear. correct me if i'm wrong cause i haven't tried it since version 2 or 3.

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i haven't tried acid in like 4 years either, so for all i know it might have evolved into fully equipped software studio aswell

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 Yeah, all that's taken care of. I tried what you said, and it worked. You're my hero, Subtle.

Great to hear it worked out

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