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Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-07-2009 23:47:

Increasing mixer output volume.

Hey guys. Just a quick question. I have a DJM-400 connected directly to two Behringer Truth active monitors. The problem is, I know the monitors can take a lot more volume and I want a lot more volume but I'm redlining the mixer in order to do it which I obviously don't want to do. Do I just need to put one of these http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHXENTX802 in between my master out and my speakers and then crank that second board's gains up a bit?

Thanks fellas.

Posted by Shini on Apr-08-2009 12:33:

I don't have a DJM-400 but I think I remember reading that there is a little screw on the back that also controls the master out volume try that?

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-08-2009 15:28:

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Originally posted by Shini
I don't have a DJM-400 but I think I remember reading that there is a little screw on the back that also controls the master out volume try that?

Hmm. I'm not home right now but I'll definitely check that out. I seem to remember someone mentioning that about the 600. Not sure if the 400 has it.

Posted by Tony Morello on Apr-08-2009 21:58:

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Originally posted by miamitranceman
Hmm. I'm not home right now but I'll definitely check that out. I seem to remember someone mentioning that about the 600. Not sure if the 400 has it.

that was the first thing i thought of, so i went and checked the pics of the back on the pioneer website

no dice, there's no screw on the back, looks like you might have to run it though another board like you posted

Posted by andydavey on Apr-08-2009 22:11:

What are the trim controls on the monitors themselves set at?

Posted by jayxthekoolest on Apr-09-2009 02:43:

There are two little plastic switches on the back that change the input from line to phono. You need both those switches and the switch up top to be moved in order for the input volume to be correct. That could be your problem.

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-09-2009 15:10:

Thanks guys. I'll check these options out. Can't believe I didn't remember that there's volume controls on the back of the individual monitors! They're positioned kind of against my wall and I didn't even think about checking the back of them.

Posted by Tony Morello on Apr-09-2009 20:40:

looking at this pic, it does have a trim control, i would've mentioned that but i assumed you had already maxed it out

Posted by Neo95gt on Apr-09-2009 21:01:

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Originally posted by Tony Morello

looking at this pic, it does have a trim control, i would've mentioned that but i assumed you had already maxed it out

I keep mine at 0, can you bump it up if you want to go louder? If so, does this hurt sound quality?

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-09-2009 21:33:

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Originally posted by Neo95gt
I keep mine at 0, can you bump it up if you want to go louder? If so, does this hurt sound quality?

The good thing is there's a limiter built in and a little red light starts blinking on the front if you're peaking.

I'm still at work but I'll give it a shot tonight and see what happens.

Posted by Neo95gt on Apr-09-2009 21:42:

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Originally posted by miamitranceman
The good thing is there's a limiter built in and a little red light starts blinking on the front if you're peaking.

I'm still at work but I'll give it a shot tonight and see what happens.

cool. I also think the mids and highs get burried somewhat by the lows, I might try bumping them up a little with those switches on the back. Does the Room compensation switch in the middle = the mids???

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-09-2009 22:26:

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Originally posted by Neo95gt
cool. I also think the mids and highs get burried somewhat by the lows, I might try bumping them up a little with those switches on the back. Does the Room compensation switch in the middle = the mids???

to be honest, I'm not sure how the switch technically affects the sound. I just have that one flipped according to my setup.

Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-09-2009 23:35:

Not being rude but this was exactly the issue I was discussing with you on that other thread a couple of days ago about why i think that DJM400's are total crap. $400 and you don;t get more than one controllable line out.

You can change the trim input on the truths but it's not really the right way to go about it and and a pain in ass if you need to change it often. It will also distort if you jack it right up because the amps will be clipping.

The solution is this: (available at GC - link below).

http://www.guitarcenter.com/SMPro-A...226-i1390730.gc

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-10-2009 00:28:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Not being rude but this was exactly the issue I was discussing with you on that other thread a couple of days ago about why i think that DJM400's are total crap. $400 and you don;t get more than one controllable line out.

You can change the trim input on the truths but it's not really the right way to go about it and and a pain in ass if you need to change it often. It will also distort if you jack it right up because the amps will be clipping.

The solution is this: (available at GC - link below).

http://www.guitarcenter.com/SMPro-A...226-i1390730.gc

Thanks for that. That's a perfect option.

And don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying. The recording/volume problem is definitely an issue, but here, I'm mainly just talking speaker volume out, which would still be an issue even if I had another master out.

But thanks for the link though.

Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-10-2009 01:32:

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Originally posted by miamitranceman
Thanks for that. That's a perfect option.

And don't get me wrong, I hear what you're saying. The recording/volume problem is definitely an issue, but here, I'm mainly just talking speaker volume out, which would still be an issue even if I had another master out.

But thanks for the link though.

Hang on, not sure I understand. You're saying you've got you're gains right and the master volume knob is jacked up all the way and you still need more?

The 2 x master outputs controlled simultaneously by the one master knob.

Usually, to get a decent level going to the second output(such as a recoding device or PC) the output is too loud at the powered monitors so most people add that passive volume knob I posted. This lets them send the full line level signal to the PC and control the volum at the speakers as powered monitors don;t have a volume control.

Behringers fed a normal line level input are damn loud, so If you're saying they aren't loud enough, then something is wrong with your setup or you're trying to use them as PA speakers, which they're not.

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-10-2009 01:59:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Hang on, not sure I understand. You're saying you've got you're gains right and the master volume knob is jacked up all the way and you still need more?

The 2 x master outputs controlled simultaneously by the one master knob.

Usually, to get a decent level going to the second output(such as a recoding device or PC) the output is too loud at the powered monitors so most people add that passive volume knob I posted. This lets them send the full line level signal to the PC and control the volum at the speakers as powered monitors don;t have a volume control.

Behringers fed a normal line level input are damn loud, so If you're saying they aren't loud enough, then something is wrong with your setup or you're trying to use them as PA speakers, which they're not.

It's more an issue of not enough headroom on the mixer itself. I don't turn the master all the way up because then its just redlining, yet I still want a louder sound from the monitors. But the trim on the backs of the speakers are doing the job. I can keep my mixer in the yellow and still be loud. That's all.

Edit: And no I'm not talking PA-loud. i've got my Eon 15s for that. I just wanted the monitors a bit louder without clipping the mixer is all.

Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-10-2009 06:06:

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Originally posted by miamitranceman
It's more an issue of not enough headroom on the mixer itself. I don't turn the master all the way up because then its just redlining, yet I still want a louder sound from the monitors. But the trim on the backs of the speakers are doing the job. I can keep my mixer in the yellow and still be loud. That's all.

Edit: And no I'm not talking PA-loud. i've got my Eon 15s for that. I just wanted the monitors a bit louder without clipping the mixer is all.

Ahhhh, I get it now. Well I suppose that what's the trim is for!!

Glad you sorted it. Eons are a nice choice for portable PA by the way!!

Posted by n3lly on Apr-10-2009 10:58:

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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Ahhhh, I get it now. Well I suppose that what's the trim is for!!

Glad you sorted it. Eons are a nice choice for portable PA by the way!!

I'd love another Eon, I've only got a wee 10 inch one but would love a 15. They're sooooo expensive though!

Posted by miamitranceman on Apr-10-2009 14:24:

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Originally posted by n3lly
I'd love another Eon, I've only got a wee 10 inch one but would love a 15. They're sooooo expensive though!

Yeah, there was an insane sale at Guitar Center here in the States during the last holiday season where they were selling 1st gen Eon 15s for 250 bucks! That's cheaper than the 10 in Behrenger Eurolives I was looking at at the time. I should've bought more and resold them online.