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let us talk about that pet sound "trance" and why we try so hard to make it?

I think for most this is a fair question.

why do we try so hard to only co-create the elements of trance.
why not house or techno? don't confuse the question with the obvious.
"I like trance because of the killa leads and uplifting pads".
this we already know.


I think for me the point of the question lies in the answer.
knowing I will get something back every time spend with my synths ect

has to be the underlining reason why i make trance.

but i still remain spending time in the music forum has opened my eyes to the constant bashing of trance.
if its so shit then why do so many people like us make it?

you thoughts people.

Those on a trance forum who no longer listen to trance probably have a lot more to say about why, than someone who loves trance on a trance forum.

beacuse its easier.

Because its the cheesiest form of Electronic Dance Music.

Can be other things too though, but the majority of trance is easy listening music.

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Originally posted by david.michael Those on a trance forum who no longer listen to trance probably have a lot more to say about why, than someone who loves trance on a trance forum.

Very good point. I actually really dislike about 90% of the trance I hear these days. So much is of it formulaic, bland, tinny and unimpressive....but every so often a track come along that is simply stunning.

Personally, I've been in to EDM long enough to see fads/trands come and go, genres sprout up and disappear, movements develop and then wane, that I'm really just interested is dance music, good dance music, whatever it's called. Trance gets slammed because so much of it is the lowest common denominator and it sometimes attracts a younger crowd and some of the bad (cheesey) things that go with that.

Trance in fairness (along with progressive house, techno and house) gets a bad wrap - so many other forms of music commercialize what it pioneers and that's another thing that keeps drawing me back. It's like EDM is the often at the sharp edge of music technology and trance is fitting method of transport for it or the facilitator.

Its a shame, because Trance now has the reputation which used to belong to what was called Dance. Which pretty much does not exist anymore.

So if u say to people that you make or listen to trance, they will instantly think of the cheesy radio tracks such as Daddy DJ, DJ Sammy etc etc.

When speaking to a layperson who asks me what kind of music I make, I respond with "I make electronic dance music. You know, techno, house, that sort of thing."

It gets them close enough to the ballpark for me.

Though, I haven't made trance for a while now. But, "techno" and "house" aren't exactly what I do, either.

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Originally posted by david.michael When speaking to a layperson who asks me what kind of music I make, I respond with "I make electronic dance music. You know, techno, house, that sort of thing." It gets them close enough to the ballpark for me. Though, I haven't made trance for a while now. But, "techno" and "house" aren't exactly what I do, either.

i'm not ashamed that i make trance nor should you or anybody else for that mater.
trance is my pet sound stated in my original post. and im guessing for you and most here you will use it in everything you try and make in the studio.

if for example you make a house track i bet you will find a trance element in their at some stage.

TRANCE! I Rather listen to TRANCE then RAP AND R&B!!

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 TRANCE! I Rather listen to TRANCE then RAP AND R&B!!

+1

i used to listen to rap and r&b back in the days, but the crap they been putting out these days are annoying as hell.. it actually pisses me off when i hear it ..

haha

Trance is dire these days. I don't really produce any specific genre, but I've been trying to steer towards tech/deep house because it fits more with what I'm playing now. I personally find house and tech a lot harder to make than trance though, which I find insanely simple.

In my opinion, trance has lots of subgenre's. To name a example, I have a friend with whom I sort of 'started' DJing. We meet up every now and than to spin some records together, and he know's I've been into trance a couple of years now. But everytime I play some newer tracks, he starts telling me that I've changed my style to more minimal / house type of stuff. And everytime I tell him, it's not I changed my style. Trance music is also evolving, and is getting more and more influences from other genre's, and lately a lot from house and more minimal stuff.

I see 'trance' as a mainstream genre. For instance, what is pop music? Pop music can be rock, ballads, hiphop.. you name it, and that's the way I see trance. When you are telling people that you are making / playing trance music, they always think about uplifting/euphoric trance, because that's known as 'trance' in the commercial scene.

Producing wise, I started out making hardstyle (long time ago ), and slowly started into uplifting trance. However, very little uplifting trance astonishes me these days. when listening to trance around the world, I like most of the tracks, but I don't love them. If I listen to the Gareth Emery podcast, I love every track he plays, why? Because he plays a 'wide' range of trance music, with influences from every genre of music, which I think for the 'underground' trance lovers, is much more interesting.

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Originally posted by Theran I see 'trance' as a mainstream genre. For instance, what is pop music? Pop music can be rock, ballads, hiphop.. you name it, and that's the way I see trance. When you are telling people that you are making / playing trance music, they always think about uplifting/euphoric trance, because that's known as 'trance' in the commercial scene.

Me agree with this, Trance can be so many things!

trance and house are for pussies. nintendocore is where its at.

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Originally posted by owien i'm not ashamed that i make trance nor should you or anybody else for that mater.

I'm not ashamed for making something that I don't make.

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trance is my pet sound stated in my original post. and im guessing for you and most here you will use it in everything you try and make in the studio. if for example you make a house track i bet you will find a trance element in their at some stage.

Not really. Sometimes, I suppose... but what do you consider a "trance element"?

supersawrrrr

White noise Fx

You are all wrong.

Jungle and DarkStep is where its at.

Black Sun Empire ftw.

People forget jungle/dnb and those are also EDM.

I have been a drummer in a metal band, basist in a reggae band, I played guitar in various bands. I have made Drum and Bass and indeed house and old school hardcore (a la prodigy style back in the day).

I have been making trance for about 6 years now and I have learnt a lot about engineering etc that I wouldn't have learned otherwise.

Sure, a lot of the stuff today is really boring but because it lacks musicianship. My stuff probably isn't as good as the regular stuff being released, but I have had releases too and that's good enough for me. I can happilly say that I love Trance.

Why do people automatically assume that making trance is easier than other forms of music? I find House music so easy that it's downright dull, drum and bass is no different, but that's not suggesting that I do it well or as well as someone who is in to it. But they probably couldn't make trance the way I do.

I have a lot of respect for good Techno producers, to capture that sound is an art form.

Trance is by no means the Pop music of EDM, that belongs totally vocal and electro house at the moment. Trance is more like the red haired step child that's locked away in the cupboard under the stairs. It's the sort of thing that people will say they don't like even if they really do just because they want to be like their friends. That is the type of rep that trance has, so dont' kid yourselves.

I don't see anything wrong in making other style tracks with trance influences... it's called evolution and perhaps something good can come of it, you never know.

I think the main reason people bash trance is that it happens to be something that a lot of us like making and people just aren't into what we do at the moment, very frustrating but it's the truth.

Just my two cents worth...

Cheers
Nem

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what do you consider a "trance element"?

lets us say you decided on house and you belived that it deserved some nice strings with some good pads behind it. this you could argue has then a trance element.because normally that is what you will hear in trance.
even thoe you set out to make house hence i hope my point of trance being for most producers their pet sound.

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Originally posted by owien lets us say you decided on house and you belived that it deserved some nice strings with some good pads behind it. this you could argue has then a trance element.because normally that is what you will hear in trance. even thoe you set out to make house hence i hope my point of trance being for most producers their pet sound.

Why a trance element, instead of orchestral? Or chillout? Or progressive? or....

That was more my point

edit - that's not to say that I never say "I want to put a touch of tranciness in this"

I think by 'Trancyness' they mean doing the sort of things they would do to a trance track but in a house format. But I get what you mean, who is to say that what you hear in trance originated there?

It all comes down to what influences us and how we apply it, which is ultimately more important than the name we give it.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by cronodevir You are all wrong. Jungle and DarkStep is where its at. Black Sun Empire ftw. People forget jungle/dnb and those are also EDM.

That's because they came and went in 95/96.


Nem are you saying you really like the red haired step child you have locked away under the stairs? .....Think you need some help mate

Trance gets a bad name because of the people like the big DJ's (you know who I mean) who turn it on to this disgusting fluffy cheesy tripe for children or people who have no clue about EDM, so they can make a quick buck (or should that be Euro). Trance has change so much over time and does include a broad spectrum of EDM - when I was in to that music we now call trance it was just called dance music or uplifting house. Go figure.....

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Trance gets a bad name because of the people like the big DJ's (you know who I mean) who turn it on to this disgusting fluffy cheesy tripe for children or people who have no clue about EDM, so they can make a quick buck (or should that be Euro). Trance has change so much over time and does include a broad spectrum of EDM - when I was in to that music we now call trance it was just called dance music or uplifting house. Go figure.....

I remember watching MTV, of all places, during the emergence of the rave scene. DJ I-wish-I-could-remember-his-fucking-name predicted, in an interview, that corporations and carpetbaggers would happen along and fuck it all up.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Nem are you saying you really like the red haired step child you have locked away under the stairs? .....Think you need some help mate

LOL! Yup, walked straight into that one he he...


Another thought I suppose could be that maybe we all carry some element of blame in the decline of Trance. The tools became more accessible and we shattered the myth of our own idols. They suddenly became mortal again and faded in our own minds everytime we completed a new track.

People also fell in love with Anjuna beats and copied that style to death, never understood why, probably some of the blandest trance out there with a few exceptions. IMHO of course.

Cheers
Nem

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