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Potential end of unlimited internet: Bell's tariff request

Bell has decided to take the issue of unrestricted/unfiltered access to the federal Cabinet and at the same time has filed a tariff application with the CRTC proposing to introduce Usage Based Billing (UBB) on its wholesale customer accounts.

If Bell were to be allowed to introduce UBB on this service, a cap of 60GB would be imposed on all of its users, with very heavy penalties per Gigabyte afterwards. This would inherently all but remove Unlimited internet services in Ontario/Quebec and potentially cause large increases in internet costs from month to month

If you'd like to make your comments/concerns known about what Bell is attempting to do, please do so here:

http://support.crtc.gc.ca/crtcsubmi...com.aspx?lang=e

Select the word "Tariff" from the drop down list.

Add the following in Subject Line "File Number # 8740-B2-200904989 - Bell Canada - TN 7181" and make your thoughts known!

The deadline for filing your comments is today at midnight, so hurry

Feel free to use this statement as your comment:

I urge the commission to reject Bell Canada's tariff application as it is not in the best interest of the consumer and does not promote open and fair competition. If approved, this tariff would inherently all but remove unlimited internet services in Ontario/Quebec and potentially cause large increases in internet costs from month to month. For Canada to remain competitive we need to ensure costs are decreasing, access is increasing and technology is evolving. Bell's tariff request goes against all of those principles.

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while in many other parts of the world where they moved from UBB to unlimited flat rates with no caps, here these SOBs want to do it in reverse...

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Originally posted by jon jon done.

done!

I thought all/most residential Bell (& Rogers) users were already subject to a shadow cap?

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Originally posted by dEsidEL I thought all/most residential Bell (& Rogers) users were already subject to a shadow cap?

The tariff request impacts WHOLESALE DSL customers (i.e. non-Bell DSL users).

The tariff request is punitive action on Bell's part because the CRTC ordered them to stop traffic shaping/filtering.

It's a bad trend overall because we should be moving away from this type of crap and on to faster speeds, wider pipes.

This is what happens when infrastructure companies also become media companies. if you are downloading what you could be viewing through a Bell PVR, how are they going to make money?

Fuck you bell, and the subsidized horse you came in on.

I don't understand how this affects my SP, as I'm not with Bell.


any links to read up on?


I still filled it out. People need their dose of softcore porn.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker It's a bad trend overall because we should be moving away from this type of crap and on to faster speeds, wider pipes.

I like wide pipes.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The tariff request impacts WHOLESALE DSL customers (i.e. non-Bell DSL users). The tariff request is punitive action on Bell's part because the CRTC ordered them to stop traffic shaping/filtering. It's a bad trend overall because we should be moving away from this type of crap and on to faster speeds, wider pipes.

ah gotcha, thanks for the clarification

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Originally posted by jon jon done.

+1 and i told them i worked for Rogers too LoL

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Bell already did this about 10 years ago when I was a customer (capping unlimited and charging for over-downloading), and it backfired. I moved to Aurora Cable Internet. They got rid of it after about a year, but I stayed on with ACI (now Rogers).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker the CRTC ordered them to stop traffic shaping/filtering.

Cable companies too? Is this why my torrents are lightning fast compared to last summer?

Yup, I submitted a comment too. They better reject it...

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker The tariff request is punitive action on Bell's part because the CRTC ordered them to stop traffic shaping/filtering.

Sorry, but I believe Bell won the right to keep shaping. I think the ruling stated that Bell could continue to shape, because they were doing it to their wholesalers and actual customers as well. Are we misunderstanding each other?

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done. Man is that www ever slow!

Good thing im on cogeco SOHO, 120GB baby


still crappy in comparison to cheap 10/100/1000 mbit in Netherlands, Sweden and many other euro countries

done. Ain' no one stopping my pr0n

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Originally posted by Orko This is what happens when infrastructure companies also become media companies. if you are downloading what you could be viewing through a Bell PVR, how are they going to make money? Fuck you bell, and the subsidized horse you came in on.

This, a thousand times this

They should split bell up into a few different companies like they did in the states years ago. They're too big and powerful.

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Originally posted by Orko Sorry, but I believe Bell won the right to keep shaping. I think the ruling stated that Bell could continue to shape, because they were doing it to their wholesalers and actual customers as well. Are we misunderstanding each other?

One of the main problems was that Bell was shaping wholesalers more than they were their own customers and not offering the same Rx/Tx speeds they themselves offered.

CRTC required Telecom providers (Bell/Telus/etc.) to provide ISPs with wholesale service speeds that match those that they offer to their own retail customers.

So yes, you are correct (and more specific [IMO] than needed in this case).

bell is taking the phrase "greed will imprison us all" literally

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Originally posted by Owen M I don't understand how this affects my SP, as I'm not with Bell. any links to read up on? I still filled it out. People need their dose of hardcore porn.

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