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Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 19:46:

Which do you prefer? [chord progression style]

So I'm working on my current track's chord progressions, its a 16 bar progression, it will be for an utopian/jungle track, with a few orchestral elements in it. Here is the mp3:



Do you prefer the first progression or the second, why?


Posted by owien on Apr-16-2009 19:58:

Re: Which do you prefer? [chord progression style]

quote:
Originally posted by cronodevir
So I'm working on my current track's chord progressions, its a 16 bar progression, it will be for an utopian/jungle track, with a few orchestral elements in it. Here is the mp3:



Do you prefer the first progression or the second, why?
no link for the mp3 dude


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 20:10:

Click the image. It should take you to do page with a play or download button.

Anyways, same file, but with an arp.


Posted by owien on Apr-16-2009 20:27:

i got ya sounds good thoe just needs building on i say the first part mainly because it uses tension


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 20:53:

Well, here are the chords:



Fuck, I may use both. Anyone else got any opinions?


Posted by Waza on Apr-16-2009 21:09:

the first chord prog is the better


Posted by Beatflux on Apr-16-2009 21:09:

Post the melody along with the harmony. They play off of each other, so it's hard to judge a harmony when you can't hear how the melody will respond.


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 21:15:

What do you mean beatflux?

You mean have the arp and the chords themselves playing at the same time? Ive not written a melody for this progression btw, ive only been working on the chords I'm going to use, and now i'm trying to figure out which is preferable. The arp was just an example.

The issue is I like both, lol. I may infact use both, which makes all this irrelevant. But its still good to see peoples view on the progression.

Also, because each progression bar has a different number of keys, so will the melody be different for each. There are really alot of ways I can go with this. But i put the umpteenth emphasis on the chord progression because that IS the soul of the track, its what make it , it.


Posted by Beatflux on Apr-16-2009 21:24:

I thought you were going to put a melody to this. Nevermind.


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 21:27:

I will, but my melody will follow this chord progression, infact everything will follow this chord progression. But for instance i'm not going to have something in there just playing chords, the lead will be a melody based on this progression, and so will the bass, and the pads and all that goodness.


Posted by Beatflux on Apr-16-2009 21:44:

quote:
Originally posted by cronodevir
I will, but my melody will follow this chord progression, infact everything will follow this chord progression. But for instance i'm not going to have something in there just playing chords, the lead will be a melody based on this progression, and so will the bass, and the pads and all that goodness.


In my mind, melody and harmony go together like a background in a play and the actors. Depending on the melody and harmony, changing one or the other will affect how they interact.

Example:

Play the CEG chord in your left hand, then play C-E-G-C with the right.
Then if you play the same chord in your left hand, play C-D-F-C.
The first melody you play should be more transparent than the second, because the second melody has two different non-chord tones.
If you play that same melody line without chord accompaniment(C-D-F-C), the melody can still tell a story, but it's not as interesting.

It hard to judge just a chord progression, when the final song is going to have different elements working together.


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 21:54:

I always though harmony was the interaction between different melodies. Or so Ive read.

Here is an old version of juno, I consider it to be "in harmony"



Ignore the random ass beat that comes in..lol [someone came into vstunnel]


Posted by Beatflux on Apr-16-2009 22:08:

quote:
Originally posted by cronodevir
I always though harmony was the interaction between different melodies. Or so Ive read.

Here is an old version of juno, I consider it to be "in harmony"



Ignore the random ass beat that comes in..lol [someone came into vstunnel]


According to my Harvard Dictionary of Music:

Harmony. The chordal(or vertical) structure of a musical composition, in contrast to counterpoint,i.e., the melodic(or horizontal) structure.

Counterpoint. "note against note" or by extension, "melody against melody," denotes music consisting of two or more lines that sound simultaneously.


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-16-2009 22:33:

Ah so i had the two terms switched


Posted by DigiNut on Apr-17-2009 00:10:

You've provided no foundation (bassline), melody, or rhythmic structure, so it's going to be pretty hard for anyone to guess at which set is "better". You've also used very long note durations so it's actually rather difficult to even hear any progression.

Personally, I don't particularly like either one; I guess at least they're in key, which is better than what I hear from a lot of producers, but the sequences don't really resolve properly, or at least they don't seem to when they're out of context like this. Maybe with some context my answer would be different.

I don't know where you read that harmony was an "interaction between different melodies", but whoever wrote it was full of shit.


Posted by cronodevir on Apr-17-2009 00:20:

Well, the tempo for those was 92..lol Because the beat was 184. Its going to have a very fast jungle beat while the rest is rather mellow. Not sure if i will keep it at 92 however.


Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-17-2009 05:45:

Use both.
Personally , I feel that the 2nd chord prog is better.


Posted by RichieV on Apr-19-2009 21:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Beatflux
According to my Harvard Dictionary of Music:

Harmony. The chordal(or vertical) structure of a musical composition, in contrast to counterpoint,i.e., the melodic(or horizontal) structure.

Counterpoint. "note against note" or by extension, "melody against melody," denotes music consisting of two or more lines that sound simultaneously.


the distiction isn't always so clear. Harmony did come from counterpoint and most of the great composers did not see harmony as some static configuration but rather a collection of moving lines ( counterpoint) at a given moment.

I can't really give an opinion of the posted examples. There is no context. They weren't really progressions. Mostly a tonic chord with different voicing intermixed with chords that were still over the tonic pedal tone. There also isn't a melody so i really can't give you an answer.



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