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Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-19-2009 10:13:

The future cheese sound of Trance. Your thoughts.

Hi all,
We all know the cheesy sound of trance, the typical supersaw sound , the supersaw arp , the supersaw pluck that occurs in 84% of most trance songs , the typical saw pad and all..

I was wondering , what would the cheesy sound of trance be in the next decade?
SuperSquares?
Sine Plucks?
PWM Pads?

Your thoughts are welcomed..


Posted by Raphie on Apr-19-2009 10:45:

it's all been used and it's all been recycled
but the possibitlities are endless so noumerous variations will keep on coming


Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-19-2009 11:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
it's all been used and it's all been recycled
but the possibitlities are endless so noumerous variations will keep on coming



Yes .. Thats really true. SuperSquare exists now , its kinda like a square waveform layered with some sawtooth with some distortion on it .. Its the lead on Sied Van Riel - MME.

Maybe there will be a new type of synthesis , some kind of waveform , that will spark a new generation of chessy sound .. I mean , look at how the JP-8000 affect the whole dance music world..


Posted by Zak McKracken on Apr-19-2009 11:56:

when it comes to cheese id never know, its the most unpredictible genre there is imo beacuse its always some leader leading it and some fans following it making acts like resonanse amplifying itself.


Posted by wing on Apr-19-2009 13:04:

FUCKIN LOVE SUPERSAW + SUPERSAW ARP + SUPER SAW PLUCKS


Posted by Kismet7 on Apr-19-2009 15:48:

Like you actually want people discussing forcasting the next waveform used for cheesey music, as if the waveform hasnt been discovered yet? This...needed to be a thread?


Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-20-2009 09:13:

Its not about the waveform , its more about the sound that will become chesse in the next decade..

And thinking again , supersaws really are great .. they are kinda like electric guitars for rock music... and electric guitars have been around for a long long time..


Posted by flutlicht junky on Apr-20-2009 18:01:

Drums, sub bass and analog will be cheesy

Hi-Mids, snares and crackling noizes will be cool. As wll scratching done with a jacket zipper, all by 2015 I swearz


Posted by Stef on Apr-20-2009 21:52:

I feel as if trance is going to start borrowing sounds from DnB in higher amounts, get ready for wobbly basslines to the max and the death of melodic stuff that is going to make way for a lot of really techy stuff.


Posted by Zak McKracken on Apr-20-2009 21:54:

seems everyone thinks dnb and breaks will be more present in trance like before. cant wait im already on that waggon cause advanced fast rhytms rock!


Posted by DJ Robby Rox on Apr-21-2009 05:36:

Re: The future cheese sound of Trance. Your thoughts.

quote:
Originally posted by 9Vibes
Hi all,
We all know the cheesy sound of trance, the typical supersaw sound , the supersaw arp , the supersaw pluck that occurs in 84% of most trance songs , the typical saw pad and all..

I was wondering , what would the cheesy sound of trance be in the next decade?
SuperSquares?
Sine Plucks?
PWM Pads?

Your thoughts are welcomed..


"Cheesy" = opinion,
my opinion = this thread is cheesy
and my other opinion all =
that your opinion sucks.

To be honest, not rude.


Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-21-2009 08:53:

Re: Re: The future cheese sound of Trance. Your thoughts.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
"Cheesy" = opinion,
my opinion = this thread is cheesy
and my other opinion all =
that your opinion sucks.

To be honest, not rude.


o_O


Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-22-2009 08:19:

quote:
Originally posted by ********
I don't get why everyone is so sure there will be a next decade.. if there IS.. then I think sound will only be limited by thought itself as neural scanners, surface thought readers and cybernetic interfaces are becoming more and more common.

I am becoming more and more convinced as time progresses that there will be no "next decade"



Here is a track I just made explaining what I expect music to be like in 10 years... note though that it will be a lot better than this example.. lots of accoustic.. and sensory encasement.. eg. music with vr "re last days.."

http://williamashley.info/mp3/10yearslater_8.mp3

picture underworld meets mao tze. but like much better there.. will be tons and tons and tons of music which outshines music of today.. much like music of today outshines a large chunk of music of yesteryear.

much more fine grained...

that is if there is a reality in "10 years" I have odds against myself to be here.


there will probably be a flip between high energy and really really really mellow classical accoustic music. as people flock to two groups... but looking at the "upcoming" there isn't much room for drastic change.

here is a slow verison
http://williamashley.info/mp3/10yearslater_8slow.mp3

and here is the really slow version

http://williamashley.info/mp3/10yea...8reallyslow.mp3

people will have no need to be mobile except for recreation as machines skulpt and create humans to an image of "whatever" people start sporting alternate bodies instead of tatoes etc.. creating a whole new breed of music for dance not only for two legs but 12

sex as an alternative to orgami also becomes more creative.

watch a bunch of anime, hentai etc.. for more info on this.





I liked that song , it has a blend of chinese(at least thats what I think) with synthesiser , found it to be really relaxing

I have to agree with your opinion , because no one really knows what will happen in 10 year time.

And yes , there will surely be a blend of classical melodies with high energy stuff .. I mean , many trance songs have the sound of piano , flute , guitar , violin and such ..


Posted by Sonic_c on Apr-22-2009 09:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Stef
death of melodic stuff


This makes me very sad


Posted by Taz on Apr-22-2009 16:00:

quote:
that is if there is a reality in "10 years" I have odds against myself to be here.


Umm...don't mind my asking but how come you say that? Is something up?


Posted by cryophonik on Apr-22-2009 22:15:

Interesting timing - I just posted a new song and, as expected, several young, new, and unknown producers on another forum told me to get rid of my "cheesy" supersaw lead. My reaction - just what I wanted to hear because I've learned over the years that other producers are not my target audience and usually (but not always) when they tell me that something is cheesy, that my dance music-loving friends and other non-producers who hear it will at least like it, if not love it.

Young producers are so caught up with the notion that everything has to be "original" and "new" that they fail to realize that (a) nothing they are doing is original, new, or trend-setting, and (b) the majority of non-producers don't care. Think about it - how often do you hear something that is totally original, doesn't sound like some out-of-this-world trash, and can fill a dance floor? Almost never?

The death of the supersaw has been foretold for many years, but it still seems to keep on thriving - that's no accident, my friends. To me, the supersaw is the glue that binds the cheesy genre known as trance together, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I say embrace it and focus on what you can do with it, not what you can't, and don't worry about what other producers think (unless they're your target audience).

Viva la supersaw!


Posted by EddieZilker on Apr-22-2009 22:24:

quote:
Originally posted by cryophonik
Interesting timing - I just posted a new song and, as expected, several young, new, and unknown producers on another forum told me to get rid of my "cheesy" supersaw lead. My reaction - just what I wanted to hear because I've learned over the years that other producers are not my target audience and usually (but not always) when they tell me that something is cheesy, that my dance music-loving friends and other non-producers who hear it will at least like it, if not love it.

Young producers are so caught up with the notion that everything has to be "original" and "new" that they fail to realize that (a) nothing they are doing is original, new, or trend-setting, and (b) the majority of non-producers don't care. Think about it - how often do you hear something that is totally original, doesn't sound like some out-of-this-world trash, and can fill a dance floor? Almost never?

The death of the supersaw has been foretold for many years, but it still seems to keep on thriving - that's no accident, my friends. To me, the supersaw is the glue that binds the cheesy genre known as trance together, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I say embrace it and focus on what you can do with it, not what you can't, and don't worry about what other producers think (unless they're your target audience).

Viva la supersaw!


quote:
Originally posted by Sonic_c
'Viewed as a social phenomenon, the current craze for the supersaw is one of the most terrifying things ever to have happened to EDM music......Musically speaking, of course the whole thing is laughable.....It is a monsterous threat both to the moral acceptance and the artistic emancipation of EDM. Let us oppose it to the end.' (Eddie Zilker, 2009 )


I actually used a supersaw synth - very, very sparingly, in one of my tunes. I'd like to hear the song, if I haven't heard it yet. Did you post it in the Producer's Promotion forum? (I'll look, but it's flooded with a number of songs posted since last week.)


Posted by Darkarbiter on Apr-22-2009 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by 9Vibes
And thinking again , supersaws really are great .. they are kinda like electric guitars for rock music... and electric guitars have been around for a long long time..

Yes, thats exactly what I thought.


Posted by 9Vibes on Apr-23-2009 05:48:

Thus , we producers think supersaws as cheesy , but non-producers actually like it alot!



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