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Best idea ever?

I thought this was already posted, but don't see it. Not much to say about it other than this had to be one of the dumbest ideas ever. Clearly a lot of thought went into it. Love Bloomberg's response.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/n...=1&ref=nyregion



Sweet photo op!

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April 28, 2009 Jet Flyover Frightens New Yorkers By A. G. SULZBERGER and MATTHEW L. WALD It was supposed to be a photo opportunity, a showcase of Air Force One alongside the sweep of New York City skyline. But as the low-flying Boeing 747 speeded in the shadows of skyscrapers, trailed by two fighter jets, the sight instead awakened barely dormant fears of a terrorist attack, causing a momentary panic that sent workers pouring out of buildings on both sides of the Hudson River. �I thought there was some kind of an attack,� said Paul Nadler, who sprinted down more than 20 flights of stairs after watching the plane from his office in Jersey City shortly after 10 a.m. �We ran like hell.� In fact, the blue and white plane with �The United States of America� emblazoned on its side was one of two regularly used by the president. It was soaring above Lower Manhattan, Staten Island and Jersey City so government photographers could take pictures near the Statue of Liberty for publicity purposes. Aides to President Obama, who was not on board, said he was incensed when he learned of the event Monday afternoon. The White House later issued a formal apology. Witnesses described the engine roar as the planes swooped by office towers close enough to rattle the windows and prompt evacuations at scores of buildings. Some sobbed as they made their way to the street. �As soon as someone saw how close it got to the buildings, people literally ran out,� said Carlina Rivera, 25, who works at an educational services company on the 22nd floor of 1 Liberty Plaza, adjacent to the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack. �Probably about 80 percent of my office left within two minutes of seeing how close it got to our building.� Under federal regulations, in urban areas, airplanes must fly at least 1,000 feet above obstructions like buildings and bridges, and jetliner flights over Manhattan are typically at 8,000 feet or more. And planes do not typically approach local airports by flying low over the harbor. As the fright wore off, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and other local leaders questioned why the Federal Aviation Administration had ordered local officials, including the New York Police Department, not to alert the public in advance. An F.A.A. memo last week said information about the exercise �should only be shared with persons with a need to know� and �shall not be released to the public or the media.� The breakdown of communication went deeper. Mr. Bloomberg said he first learned of the exercise when his BlackBerry started buzzing with messages from people asking if he knew what was going on. �First thing is, I�m annoyed � furious is a better word � that I wasn�t told,� Mr. Bloomberg said. �Why the Defense Department wanted to do a photo-op right around the site of the World Trade Center catastrophe defies imagination,� he said. �Had I known about it, I would have called them right away and asked them not to. It is the federal government, and they can do in the end what they please, but I would have tried to stop it.� He said that the Police Department and an official in his administration � he did not say who � had not advised him of the exercise. White House and City Hall officials later said the notice had gone to the director of the city�s event coordination and management office, which handles permits for events like block parties, street fairs and parades. The director, Marc Mugnos, was formally reprimanded for failing to notify his superiors, said a senior city official, who was given anonymity because this was a personnel matter. As the uproar reached Washington, dozens of officials at the White House, the Pentagon and the Department of Transportation rushed to find out who had authorized the flyover. The White House did not issue a statement, or a formal apology, for more than six hours. At first, the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, dismissed questions, saying: �You might be surprised to know I don�t know of every movement of Air Force One or what happens to it.� Later, aides told reporters that President Obama was furious about the flyover when it was brought to his attention. The White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, conveyed the president�s anger in a meeting with the director of the White House Military Office, Louis Caldera, who issued the apology. �Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision,� Mr. Caldera said. �While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it�s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.� Neither the White House nor the F.A.A. explained why the mission was deemed a secret, even though officials conceded the primary purpose was picture taking. Other images of the plane, taken at picturesque sites like Mount Rushmore, are sold as souvenirs and used in promotional materials. Officials at the Department of Transportation and at the Pentagon each denied responsibility for the secrecy. The lack of warning meant that Notify NYC, a pilot emergency service intended to quickly alert New Yorkers who sign up, did not send out text messages and e-mail messages explaining the flyover until well after the exercise had ended.

...the fuck, dude? wtf were they thinking?






pretty dumb whoever made that decision.

Someone in the American government is retarded by doing this. It would appear that they want to scare people.

It is unreal how immature and arrogant his staff is.


Those awesome GOTCHA smiles

so dumb! would it be cheaper and easier to use a helicopter instead of circling the city with a 747 and 2x F-16s?

At least nobody jumped.

I say fucking lol at them being that scared...

Yea, dumb idea, they should have let more people know about it, but seriosuly "OMFG A PLANE!!!"



I'd like to see these people live/work in an area that constantly has giant military transports coming in to land... You'd probably have more chance in your lifetime of one those accidently crashing into your house then something like 9/11 ever happening again.

Grow up New York.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I say fucking lol at them being that scared... Yea, dumb idea, they should have let more people know about it, but seriosuly "OMFG A PLANE!!!" I'd like to see these people live/work in an area that constantly has giant military transports coming in to land... You'd probably have more chance in your lifetime of one those accidently crashing into your house then something like 9/11 ever happening again. Grow up New York.

The point is that planes don't fly that low in that area. When you see that happening and there's a military jet tailing it, you get the reaction that happened in NYC and NJ yesterday.

It was incredibly stupid and had serious consequences. The windows of buildings shook and the last time that happened, when buildings fell. People were injured evacuating buildings yesterday. Just think of the productivity lost as millions of workers exited into the streets...and for what, a photo op.

Normally, this would have been circulated and people would have known it was no big deal, but apparently security needs to be so tight FOR AN EMPTY FUCKING PLANE that the mayor couldn't even be notified.

was Obama actually on the plane?

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Originally posted by tathi was Obama actually on the plane?

No, it wasn't even the plane he uses - it was like a backup.

Those saying Obama approved this are jumping the gun - it was a low-level White House guy, not even Rahm.

In any case, while I understand the reaction at some level, you don't see DC natives getting all uppity every time a plane makes an approach over the Pentagon (as happens every 3-4 minutes depending on winds).

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov No, it wasn't even the plane he uses - it was like a backup. Those saying Obama approved this are jumping the gun - it was a low-level White House guy, not even Rahm. In any case, while I understand the reaction at some level, you don't see DC natives getting all uppity every time a plane makes an approach over the Pentagon (as happens every 3-4 minutes depending on winds).

I don't think anyone's saying that Obama approved this, but the fact that a head or two hasn't rolled over this is a bit disconcerting. There were consequences that can be valued here. And it's now widely reported that sanctions were threatened against officials if they disclosed this. Under tight scrutiny, I'm not really surprised that the guy from the Bloomberg's office kept if from Bloomberg, because given the threats, I'm sure he assumed Mike had been informed personally. Which was obviously the wrong assumption.

Yeah, my comment was more directed to bars-n-stars than anyone with real opinions.

I can understand the reaction down near Wall Street though, since many probably worked down there in 2001 too. But I don't know that doing something like this was "wrong" - that said, the secrecy of the whole thing just seems odd.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Yeah, my comment was more directed to bars-n-stars than anyone with real opinions. I can understand the reaction down near Wall Street though, since many probably worked down there in 2001 too. But I don't know that doing something like this was "wrong" - that said, the secrecy of the whole thing just seems odd.

I've been getting quite pissed that people are blowing this off as nothing and I've repeatedly heard from liberal website commentary that New Yorkers need to grow spines (just look at HuffPo and CNN's comments. Between this and some of the business stuff, I'd swear they're trying to scare off moderates.

I wasn't here, but considering that I came right after, I've heard tons of stories from those that were around on 9/11. I have friends that saw people jump out of buildings. We have training sessions every year where we vacate to a neighboring park and they do headcounts. But they aren't panicked because people know it's an exercise, something neglected by this idiocy.

Maybe if New Yorkers stopped acting like the ****s of the country.... They wouldn't be afraid of every joe-arabia crashing their planes into shit there, or blowing up their buildings.

Maybe you guys should stay away from hollywood disaster movies... god forbid someone show Armageddon or Independence Day on local TV and you have panic in the streets...

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Maybe if New Yorkers stopped acting like the ****s of the country.... They wouldn't be afraid of every joe-arabia crashing their planes into shit there, or blowing up their buildings. Maybe you guys should stay away from hollywood disaster movies... god forbid someone show Armageddon or Independence Day on local TV and you have panic in the streets...

You let me know when numerous people that you know that aren't interconnected are all killed at once. And how you feel when unnecessary actions replay that day for you.

BTW, knowing your other posts, I know you'd be cumming yourself had this been Bush, so please get over yourself, you're just another partisan hack.

You can go back over all my posts, I've been a big Obama supporter through the election, but this was idiocy.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You let me know when numerous people that you know that aren't interconnected are all killed at once. And how you feel when unnecessary actions replay that day for you. BTW, knowing your other posts, I know you'd be cumming yourself had this been Bush, so please get over yourself, you're just another partisan hack. You can go back over all my posts, I've been a big Obama supporter through the election, but this was idiocy.

It was stupid eitherway, but wow, if you guys run for cover anytime you hear a low flying jet then the terrorist won... Like someone else said, people near/at the pentagon don't run like nancies when they see a low flying plane.

Also, Bush or Obama, or fucking John Denver in the Whitehouse wouldn't matter because they had no idea what was going on. It was their PR department, and even then it was probably not even a partisan decision. I am sure all the past, yes PAST times they have photographed a 747 with presidential colors flying near monuments it wasn't something that the president was even aware of.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby It was stupid eitherway, but wow, if you guys run for cover anytime you hear a low flying jet then the terrorist won... Like someone else said, people near/at the pentagon don't run like nancies when they see a low flying plane. Also, Bush or Obama, or fucking John Denver in the Whitehouse wouldn't matter because they had no idea what was going on. It was their PR department, and even then it was probably not even a partisan decision. I am sure all the past, yes PAST times they have photographed a 747 with presidential colors it wasn't something that the president was even aware of.

I'm sorry that those in such low population density areas don't get it.

And in previous exercises, people knew it was coming, because they didn't threaten people with sanctions if it was leaked. Instead, we dealt with a flyby of skyscrapers, people in the streets, etc., because of nothing.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby It was stupid eitherway, but wow, if you guys run for cover anytime you hear a low flying jet then the terrorist won... Like someone else said, people near/at the pentagon don't run like nancies when they see a low flying plane. Also, Bush or Obama, or fucking John Denver in the Whitehouse wouldn't matter because they had no idea what was going on. It was their PR department, and even then it was probably not even a partisan decision. I am sure all the past, yes PAST times they have photographed a 747 with presidential colors flying near monuments it wasn't something that the president was even aware of.

have you ever been to NY? planes don't fly anywhere near that low when near Manhattan. I live right by an airport (newark airport) so i'm used to loud planes overhead, but if a plane was roaring over my building in times square you bet your ass i'd be a little nervous about it. planes don't belong near the city, and when they are near the city it means something is wrong.

look at it this way: if you see a tiger in the zoo you wouldn't be alarmed, however, if that tiger was walking around your neighborhood i'm sure you'd be a little nervous.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 have you ever been to NY? planes don't fly anywhere near that low when near Manhattan. I live right by an airport (newark airport) so i'm used to loud planes overhead, but if a plane was roaring over my building in times square you bet your ass i'd be a little nervous about it.

I love how people with no concept of the way that NYC is set-up are so cognizant of the security concerns here.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy I love how people with no concept of the way that NYC is set-up are so cognizant of the security concerns here.

it's all about understanding the situations. I think the example from my previous post (i edited the post) should put it into perspective for the suburban dwellers.

What is there to be pissed about? Obama said it wont happen again. Be Liberal and be swept under the rug like a good follower.

I see your guys' point. For some reason I assumed that there would be planes on approach in the vicinity of Manhattan, since there are a number of airports nearby. And the fighter plane adds to the unusual nature of this - especially given the secrecy.

That said, for people in Washington, who evidently planned this, low-flying planes are rather normal, as Washington National Airport is about a half mile from the Pentagon and a mile or so from the White House. It's unnerving the first time you see it, but you quickly grow accustomed to it. In NYC you haven't had that luxury. The folks in the Air Force that planned this are probably based at the Pentagon, and probably didn't even realize how unusual this would look.

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Originally posted by BARS-N-STARS What is there to be pissed about? Obama said it wont happen again. Be Liberal and be swept under the rug like a good follower.

Yes, because liberalism not only has everything to do with bungled aviation routes, it also has everything to do with conformity.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I see your guys' point. For some reason I assumed that there would be planes on approach in the vicinity of Manhattan, since there are a number of airports nearby. And the fighter plane adds to the unusual nature of this - especially given the secrecy.

Each airport is at least 10 miles from lower manhattan, and all the approaches avoid the city.

I flew into DC in Feb and I was surprised at how close the airport was to the capital. The plane actually had to turn while it was making its final descent. Reagan is not a normal setup for an airport.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Reagan is not a normal setup for an airport.

Only Republicans call it Reagan. Everyone else calls it National.

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