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People Steal From Artists, Artists Steal From Programmers

If you're making music with cracked software, how could you complain that someone pirates your music?

Banpiracy.com:

Based on our extensive research over several years, we have learned that over 50% of all commercial studios are using stolen or �pirated� software, unlicensed content, and �cracked� applications. In some regions of the world the number is over 80%.

Piracy isn't an issue because all my content is free and open woo hoo!

Its too much work to try to make money in a world where your work can be copied with a single mouse click.

As for those number, id be surprised if it wasn't more than 50% And they probably went to actual studios, not the guy in his bedroom {read: most people on forums like these} If they counted all the joe's and bob's on the internet then it will certainly be much higher. You can't ban or prevent piracy. Ever.

Ontop of all that, piracy is a civil case. Not criminal. The worst that can happen is being sued. And frankly, if someone is pirating software, they probably don't have money to begin with, so good luck suing someone.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You can't ban or prevent piracy. Ever.

Syncrosoft did it!

No they didn't. 4 is cracked. You just don't know where to find it Given time 5 will eventually be broken too.

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Originally posted by cronodevir You can't ban or prevent piracy. Ever.

You can buy out the pirates.

programming steals peoples life. circle closed.

What do you mean buy out?

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Originally posted by cronodevir No they didn't. 4 is cracked. You just don't know where to find it Given time 5 will eventually be broken too.

LOL.. no it is not...

Yes, It is. Do you know what the scene is? In order to get you have to give. Syncroft stuff is pretty hard to dismantle. So its less likely you will find it on your local family friendly distributor.

Edit: Actually it *is* available at your local family distributor.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Yes, It is. Do you know what the scene is? In order to get you have to give. Syncroft stuff is pretty hard to dismantle. So its less likely you will find it on your local family friendly distributor.

Now you are just rambling, time to call in RANN and Richie for a 15 page mayhem

You don't know!

Anyways, software copying won't go away. And give the choice between 5c apples and free apples,most will want the free apples. And with the way companies are doing now [read: spore] many who would have otherwise paid for something don't want the inconvenience of the digital restrictions management software. So they opt for the "lite" version.

Its interesting how this site equates copying 1's and 0's to the act of boarding a vessel murdering and raping its crew, men and women,, and stealing their physical goods.

who the fuck cares about piracy, money, or programmers anyway, its all about simplicity! people will choose the easiest way so if the companys start thinking how we can buy their stuff easily people will do it. meanwhile let them fucking loose money, companys not willing to change deserves it imo. There are some companies that do it right though, Proppelerhead is one of them, I will always buy their Reason upgrades just beacuse its so fucking easy and good. EDM music also where willing to change and I buy EDM from mp3-portals but when it comes to POP or Rock? Fuck it let them loose it, their not working anyway their just trying to live for free.

There are only half working cracks out there. Unstable on the majority of systems. However H20 proved that syncrosoft can be cracked. It's a hell of a job though.

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Originally posted by Storyteller There are only half working cracks out there. Unstable on the majority of systems. However H20 proved that syncrosoft can be cracked. It's a hell of a job though.

Yep, and if they do.. they are going to improve the code even more.

So it proves that piracy CAN be prevented.

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Originally posted by Subtle Yep, and if they do.. they are going to improve the code even more. So it proves that piracy CAN be prevented.

At what cost? If you're a paying customer, wouldn't it bother you that the money you pay isn't going towards improvements?

Apparently the cracked version of Cubase 3X runs better than the legit version. Wouldn't you want to run the faster version of Cubase?

I'm on my last of 5 keys for Ableton, and if I want to install it again I have to contact Ableton. I'd rather not have to bother with it.

Well, in general I didn't hear good things about Cubase 4. So maby that is a sign that spending more money on copy protection makes the quality of the program worse.

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Originally posted by Beatflux At what cost? If you're a paying customer, wouldn't it bother you that the money you pay isn't going towards improvements? Apparently the cracked version of Cubase 3X runs better than the legit version. Wouldn't you want to run the faster version of Cubase?

I dont think that is the case.

If its uncrackable they make more money on sales of the program to improve it further, if it were cracked they would sell less and therefore have less money to spend on development anyways.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Well, in general I didn't hear good things about Cubase 4. So maby that is a sign that spending more money on copy protection makes the quality of the program worse.

Yeah, but since C4 didnt get cracked they could put a whole lot more money into the development of Cubase 5 instead of improved protection, and it shows.

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Originally posted by Beatflux If you're making music with cracked software, how could you complain that someone pirates your music?

rolf - are you for real? damn nerds trying to stop us from making music.

Music belongs to the artist, while software belongs to a company -

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Originally posted by Subtle I dont think that is the case. If its uncrackable they make more money on sales of the program to improve it further, if it were cracked they would sell less and therefore have less money to spend on development anyways.

Or as a result people move onto software that is cracked and nearly as capable. Such as FLStudio 8, Ableton, Logic, Reason etc etc...

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Originally posted by cronodevir Yes, It is. Do you know what the scene is? In order to get you have to give. Syncroft stuff is pretty hard to dismantle. So its less

I doubt Pirate Bay is really considered a scene. And i'm almost certain syncrosoft is still uncracked. I think the audio industry really needed piracy to stop for a little bit. Things were getting a little insane. I think half the developpers at KVR wanted to kill themselves. Which is unfortunate because it is usually the small guys that make great stuff that end up quitting.

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Originally posted by Beatflux At what cost? If you're a paying customer, wouldn't it bother you that the money you pay isn't going towards improvements?

I don't think it works that way. When I bought Cubase (and upgraded to Nexus2, RP Blue 1.8, etc.), I had to buy the SyncroSoft dongle separately. The cost of improving/maintaining the security of the software is reflected in the cost of the dongle/SyncroSoft software, not in the cost of the application that it is protecting, as I understand it (of course, I could be wrong).

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Originally posted by Alekos rolf - are you for real? damn nerds trying to stop us from making music. Music belongs to the artist, while software belongs to a company -

so let me get this straight


You steal an oven , and then a guy steals a cupcake you made in the oven (i'm assuming that is what you would make) but somehow the guy stealing the cupcake is the worse of the two ?

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Originally posted by Subtle I dont think that is the case. If its uncrackable they make more money on sales of the program to improve it further, if it were cracked they would sell less and therefore have less money to spend on development anyways.

You're making assumptions you can't prove, and that nobody against pirating has really proven. Anybody can quote sales numbers and download statistics, but nobody is really studying how crack software/pirated music is affecting sales. People download pirated software to use as trials, and some people download software because they are 15 years old and have no money. How could you count that particular download as a "loss" if the boy wasn't going to purchase it in the first place? Just because someone downloads something, it does not mean it was worthy of a purchase. That's one concept most people don't understand.

From a consumer standpoint, copy protection is a hassle and it's not benefiting me as a consumer. The code dedicated to copy protection is wasted harddrive space on my computer. In the grand scheme of things, it's not really a big deal, but I'd still rather not have to deal with it.

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Originally posted by RichieV I doubt Pirate Bay is really considered a scene. And i'm almost certain syncrosoft is still uncracked. I think the audio industry really needed piracy to stop for a little bit. Things were getting a little insane. I think half the developpers at KVR wanted to kill themselves.

Who referred to the pirate bay? Cubase SX3 [which uses syncrosoft] is cracked. 4 is also but works only 25% of the time. I think with the reputation of how bad 4 is, there was not much incentive to do 5.

But its really just a false victory, because everything else out there is cracked, usually within a day or two after its released. And cubase by far offers nothing so unique that it balances out the need for a dongle.

Devs at KVR? Well, they should known before hand when they get into a certain industry that it is full of people who will undermine their efforts. Though a lot of it is perceived turmoil, and not real. They look at how much their product is being shared and they consider it "potential lost sales", when the reality is most of those people wouldn't have paid for anything anyways. And further more the reality IS that they loose nothing, they still have their product. Because it can be distributed easily is a side effect of having a virtual environment.

Also software isn't a physical good. You do not loose any assets regardless to how copied it is.

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