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Any Project5 Users Here?

If so, well, it's official. Cakewalk has pulled the plug:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1712266

But, Cakewalk is apparently going to include some of its features in future products (e.g., Sonar).

Good riddance

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd Good riddance

lol never used it but looked like it sucked!

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I've never even heard of it.

What's the difference between Project5 and SONAR? I've never used either...

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 lol never used it but looked like it sucked!

Yeah indeed

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles What's the difference between Project5 and SONAR? I've never used either...

Sonar is Cakewalk's full-featured DAW, equivalent to Cubase, Logic, etc. whereas P5 (@ $99) is/was more akin to a poor-man's Ableton Live - much more focused on MIDI sequencing and live performance, has a very cool on-the-fly arranging feature called the Groove Matrix, a pretty ingenious arpeggiator, excellent piano roll, etc. And, it came with a set of synths that put Cubase et al. to shame.

I must say that I'm pretty disappointed in the closed-mindedness of some of the responses here. As anybody with any experience has probably told you dozens, if not hundreds, of times by now, a DAW is just a tool, whether it's P5, FLS, Cubase, or ProTools HD. Project5 was just another inexpensive DAW/sequencer with its own workflow, but was plenty capable of competing with the FLS', Orions, etc. on the market and a lot of very talented musicians made and continue to make some incredible music with it. But, it suffered from having too low a profile in an increasingly saturated market and apparently wasn't worth increased development and marketing by Cakewalk. But, it didn't hurt anyone by maintaining its small market presence for the last 5 years or so, so why all the hostility?

I used to use it all the time till I discovered using Live for production. To be honest, I liked it more than Sonar, was more fun. But, at the time I was somewhat of a noob, so Sonar had seemed impossible to me, really I just hate the gui in Sonar, P5 gui was decent, but, they didnt add enough features.

i went reason 3 to Project 5 to Sonar 7 to Sonar 8. Project 5 was a very nice tool. Like cryo says the daw is less important than what you do with it

I suppose it's fitting that I'm currently remixing the OP's tune in Project 5. I'll say it's one of the most flexible, most frustrating tools I've had the pleasure of using. A bit like a completely stripped down Porche without any safety features and a very rudimentary suspension.

It will take you where you want to go, but with nothing to make the journey any easier, like spline vectored automation editing. Honestly, it's too bad, because I think if Cakewalk had maintained the franchise it could well have been a live performance contender with Ableton. I could definitely use it in a live performance setting, but as a supplement for a more robust system.

Project 5 is as threadbare as it is flexible and has some really cool features, like the Spectral Transformer, that I hope are included in Sonar 8. Unfortunately, I think Cakewalk dropped the ball and while I understand their reasons for doing so, I still think it is a mistake not to have built upon what they had.

I use Project 5, sad news to see it discontinued, even though I still use an old version. Project 5 is bare bones, to me its basically a DAW with VST support and an arrangement window and pattern editor. It has a few built in sound generators, but they are weak and the drum machine is very simple on features, which I use for my drum tracks.

It doesn't even have any Audio Recording capabilities. And you can't use more than 1 minute audio samples, so bringing in a complete vocal track that you've timestretched to tempo wont happen. What you have to do is cut the vocal into pieces smaller than one minute if you want to work with them. There are tricks around this through the Velocity sampler, you can have a sample trigger at 60th second and end 60 seconds later, which means from 1:00 to 2:00 of a sample can be triggered, so still nothing more than 2:00 with the trick. The sound engine/summing mixer isn't the best out there.

I've used it long enough to learn my way around it, and make use of what it is capable of, making most of my ideas come to life. Even with the limited bare bones features it has, I guess those limitations have allowed me to focus on what is important, the musicality and the mix. I'll eventually have to move onto something like Ableton or Logic as my needs for more features rise, but for now im happy with Project 5, even though I would'nt recommend it to anyone, because there is better out there.

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