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What makes you happy, what makes your blood boil?

Expecting to see a variety of answers since we're all at different levels of "production"

For myself, nothing makes me more happy than getting new hardware. In particular monitors and headphones. I've yet to finish a track that I am proud of, but I imagine one day I might find that as one of the most gratifying things in this business/hobby. For now, it's hardware.

Things that get my blood boiling...
1. Ghost Writers (or ghost engineers as the offending artist loves to call them.) And to be clear, I have no problem with artists paying an engineer for things not related to composition. But when I read an Oakenfold biography, and it says he hummed the melody to Andy Gray for the Big Brother track and nothing more I get a little irritated. Combine that with the fact that BT claims the offender couldn't compose if the world depended on it and
2. Artists asking for outrageous/impossible advances for remix work instead of saying their not interested. I'm not going to name names (it would take all day) but an artist recently quoted me 2,500 euros to do a remix and I found an artist with at least twice his skill who wanted to do it for free because they enjoyed the track and understood that offers to remix tracks from legendary trance producers doesn't come often.

One thing that pisses me the fuck off is when people who are ignorant make condescending remarks towards EDM production for stupid shit.

For example:
"So computers make your music?" (Yes, I just describe the song to the computer)

"Mixing and mastering? I mostly listen to rock so I wouldn't know anything about that" (how the fuck)

"Dude making techno is so easy, just load up reason and I can make a song in two minutes" (Right....)

"Oh you mean that stuff that goes OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ haha god i'm such a fag"


Stuff that makes me happy?

1) When people take the time to listen to my work and give me tips/complements.

2) When i'm trying to learn a new technique and all of a sudden everything clicks.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley Things that get my blood boiling... 1. Ghost Writers (or ghost engineers as the offending artist loves to call them.) And to be clear, I have no problem with artists paying an engineer for things not related to composition. But when I read an Oakenfold biography, and it says he hummed the melody to Andy Gray for the Big Brother track and nothing more I get a little irritated. Combine that with the fact that BT claims the offender couldn't compose if the world depended on it and

Where did you read that ?

It seems unlikely that a guy actually doing MOVIE SCORES would not be able to compose.

I'm a very unorganized person, and when I see that I have to bounce things out, I get very annoyed.

What I like, so far as industry (used as liberally as possible) is concerned, is watching and even discovering artists who are becoming successful - especially when they seem to have found "their" sound.

What I dislike is when the hacks seem to be getting noticed by mainstream publications like the New Yorker and the Rolling Stone. My girlfriend went to a couple of websites referred to in either publication and, being honest, these guys sucked massive donkey balls. I, along with many others, put massive effort into this and when these idiots get noticed for coming up with a catchy loop that's barely passable, musically, I find it somewhat irksome.

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley Expecting to see a variety of answers since we're all at different levels of "production" For myself, nothing makes me more happy than getting new hardware. In particular monitors and headphones. I've yet to finish a track that I am proud of, but I imagine one day I might find that as one of the most gratifying things in this business/hobby. For now, it's hardware. Things that get my blood boiling... 1. Ghost Writers (or ghost engineers as the offending artist loves to call them.) And to be clear, I have no problem with artists paying an engineer for things not related to composition. But when I read an Oakenfold biography, and it says he hummed the melody to Andy Gray for the Big Brother track and nothing more I get a little irritated. Combine that with the fact that BT claims the offender couldn't compose if the world depended on it and 2. Artists asking for outrageous/impossible advances for remix work instead of saying their not interested. I'm not going to name names (it would take all day) but an artist recently quoted me 2,500 euros to do a remix and I found an artist with at least twice his skill who wanted to do it for free because they enjoyed the track and understood that offers to remix tracks from legendary trance producers doesn't come often.

1) Why do you hate Ghost Writers of all people?

I think you meant, "producers" who use Ghost Producers (the people who actually make the music.)

2)You get what you pay for.

It seems that in this kind of thread the negative paragraphs are always longer than the positive ones. All of the above posts bear out this generalization.



It's weird, I think humans get more pleasure out of ranting against something than they do out of praising something they like.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It seems that in this kind of thread the negative paragraphs are always longer than the positive ones. All of the above posts bear out this generalization. It's weird, I think humans get more pleasure out of ranting against something than they do out of praising something they like.

Humans enjoy dwelling on negativity, inflicting pain and receiving pain in return. Humans I find also have a hard time listening to happy or uplifting music for too long before getting tired of it, but they can last much longer listening to dark or moody music. That is what i've noticed, I wonder if there is a study about this.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Humans enjoy dwelling on negativity, inflicting pain and receiving pain in return. Humans I find also have a hard time listening to happy or uplifting music for too long before getting tired of it, but they can last much longer listening to dark or moody music. That is what i've noticed, I wonder if there is a study about this.

thought provoking

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles It seems that in this kind of thread the negative paragraphs are always longer than the positive ones. All of the above posts bear out this generalization. It's weird, I think humans get more pleasure out of ranting against something than they do out of praising something they like.

I've read in a number of places where human beings have a tendency to regard adverse experiences about five times more harshly than any positive emotions derived from a pleasant experience. I definitely see the correlation you're referring to.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Humans enjoy dwelling on negativity, inflicting pain and receiving pain in return. Humans I find also have a hard time listening to happy or uplifting music for too long before getting tired of it, but they can last much longer listening to dark or moody music. That is what i've noticed, I wonder if there is a study about this.

I think you're projecting your own sado-masochism. I don't really enjoy pain, nor do I enjoy dolling it out. When I'm feeling attacked, I tend to react with some hostility in self-defense. But when I'm done with an issue, I'm done with it, and move on.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I've read in a number of places where human beings have a tendency to regard adverse experiences about five times more harshly than any positive emotions derived from a pleasant experience. I definitely see the correlation you're referring to. I think you're projecting your own sado-masochism. I don't really enjoy pain, nor do I enjoy dolling it out. When I'm feeling attacked, I tend to react with some hostility in self-defense. But when I'm done with an issue, I'm done with it, and move on.

I'm projecting the reality of forums, and perhaps a reality of all humans.
I filed you under sado-masochist after the last thread. I think humans in general are sado-masochistic, it is just more apparent on forums where humans seem to inflict and receive pain with less inhibition. And perhaps it is done subconciously, for example you think you are not a masochist (teh denial), but I would disagree. I think anyone who engages in a lengthy debate or disucssion about a topic on a forum, that involves some sort of non intellectual rhetoric (attacks), could be considered S&M.

For example, the good folks in the Review Forum, they employ sadist behaviour quite often, same with the MD and Chill Out forums. I wonder if there are humans who aren't S&M, and what their attributes are.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I think im projecting a reality of forums. I filed you under sado-masochist after the last thread. I think humans in general are sado-masochistic, it is just more apparent on forums where humans seem to inflict and receive pain with less inhibition. And perhaps it is done subconciously, for example you think you are not a masochist, but I would disagree. I think anyone who engages in a lengthy debate on a forum, that involves some sort of non intellectual rhetoric (attacks), could be considered S&M. For example, the people in the Review Forum, they employ sadist behaviour quite often, same with the MD and Chill Out forums. Maybe not all humans are S&M, maybe just the passionate are.

I have a specific type of target who, if I am to show my sadistic dint, has generally earned it by being completely obnoxious and/or offensive - and even sadistic, themselves. I don't think your anecdotal example of me in a debate with anyone is very accurate, so far as masochism. I find it difficult to discern where I might have been on the receiving end of any actual sadism, for starters (and, trust me, I have known a few true sadists - on and off the internet).

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I have a specific type of target who, if I am to show my sadistic dint, has generally earned it by being completely obnoxious and/or offensive - and even sadistic, themselves. I don't think your anecdotal example of me in a debate with anyone is very accurate, so far as masochism. I find it difficult to discern where I might have been on the receiving end of any actual sadism, for starters (and, trust me, I have known a few true sadists - on and off the internet).

I'd be the sadist and you would be the masochist in the thread I made about Political Correctness in Music. However in your mind, I think you thought you controlled the sidebar debate we had and therefore you think you were the sadist and I was on the receiving end of your attacks. Which does make things interesting, and goes back to humans subconsciously being S&M, without the image of having whips and chains and leather clothing attached.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I'd be the sadist and you would be the masochist in the thread I made about Political Correctness in Music. However in your mind, I think you thought you controlled the sidebar debate we had and therefore you think you were the sadist and I was on the receiving end of your attacks. Which does make things interesting, and goes back to humans subconsciously being S&M, without the image of having whips and chains and leather clothing attached.

I don't think anything of the sort, in either your hypothetical concerning my beliefs or the downright absurd notion of what you believe to have occurred. I think, more to the point, you were trolling, without being conscious of the fact that you were trolling; that you lost control of the discussion you started in order to garner attention for yourself, and that the thread was something of a failure because, under the veil of moderation, you had to control the input of others. I was disappointed, because it could have been an interesting discussion, but I think you weren't interested in going into the details that I was willing to. You seemed more interested in the facades rather than the substance behind them.

When you tried to correct me, for apparently speaking out of turn, I merely pointed out that I was right about you being a bit of a novice in the matter you were trying to discuss and that such a correction was compensation for that inexperience. Again, you're proving yourself a novice. If you thought you were sadistic, I beg to differ. You may have been quarrelsome and irritated because things weren't going your way in a manner which converged on hostility, but hostility and sadism are two completely different things.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I don't think anything of the sort, in either your hypothetical concerning my beliefs or the downright absurd notion of what you believe to have occurred. I think, more to the point, you were trolling, without being conscious of the fact that you were trolling; that you lost control of the discussion you started in order to garner attention for yourself, and that the thread was something of a failure because, under the veil of moderation, you had to control the input of others. I was disappointed, because it could have been an interesting discussion, but I think you weren't interested in going into the details that I was willing to. You seemed more interested in the facades rather than the substance behind them. When you tried to correct me, for apparently speaking out of turn, I merely pointed out that I was right about you being a bit of a novice in the matter you were trying to discuss and that such a correction was compensation for that inexperience. Again, you're proving yourself a novice. If you thought you were sadistic, I beg to differ. You may have been quarrelsome and irritated because things weren't going your way in a manner which converged on hostility, but hostility and sadism are two completely different things.

This isn't about your beliefs, this about behaviour and actions. Sado-masochism isn't a belief, it is a behaviour. Now about that thread...
You were off topic during the sidebar debate, when I asked you to make a point relevant towards the topic at hand, you could'nt put anything together. I made fun of your pseudo intellectual bullshit that made no sense towards the thread, so in reality you were the one stroking yourself in the thread with nothing of substance to add to it. I had control of the main discussion in my topic, to the point I brushed your self storking bs that came out of left field, and asked you to reply to the topic, you could'nt so you started posting images of things instead.

ps: you are a masochist, you just dont noez it, so you O noez it!

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Originally posted by Kismet7 This isn't about your beliefs, this about behaviour and actions. Sado-masochism isn't a belief, it is a behaviour. Now about that thread... You were off topic during the sidebar debate, when I asked you to make a point relevant towards the topic at hand, you could'nt put anything together. I made fun of your pseudo intellectual bullshit that made no sense towards the thread, so in reality you were the one stroking yourself in the thread with nothing of substance to add to it. I had full control of the discussion in my topic, to the point I brushed your self storking bs that came out of left field, and asked you to reply to the topic, you could'nt so you started posting images of things instead. ps: you are a masochist, you just dont noez it, so you o noez it!

Personally, I'm starting to think you're a masochist who's just confused because he thinks he's a sadist. But that's what masochism is about, anyway - control - only it's less about controlling the outcome, that is invariably painful, and more about triggering anger in the person who they are hoping will dominate them. Please stop attempting to anger/amuse me. I'm not trying to dominate you.

Be free, little bird. Mend your broken wings. Fly, again. Be free!

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Personally, I'm starting to think you're a masochist who's just confused because he thinks he's a sadist. But that's what masochism is about, anyway - control - only it's less about controlling the outcome, that is invariably painful, and more about triggering anger in the person who they are hoping will dominate them. Please stop attempting to anger/amuse me. I'm not trying to dominate you. Be free, little bird. Mend your broken wings. Fly, again. Be free!

I think it is interesting that you've managed to extract some pride out of the idea of being a sadist. You swallowed that whole. What you don't seem to understand is that, humans in general employ both sadist and masochist behaviour. The fact that you are jumping at the idea that you are a sadist and not a masochist just means you have not introspected enough, or are too insecure to admit you can be a masochist, because of the social connotations that come with it.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I think it is interesting that you've managed to extract some pride out of the idea of being a sadist. You swallowed that whole. What you don't seem to understand is that, humans in general employ both sadist and masochist behaviour. The fact that you are jumping at the idea that you are a sadist and not a masochist just means you have not introspected enough, or are too insecure to admit you can be a masochist, because of the social connotations that come with it.

Huh? Where did I claim to be a sadist or even laud sadism?

I'm curious as to where your beliefs about human beings and sado-masochism come from, too. What experiences and/or literature have you been privy too which supports these beliefs?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Huh? Where did I claim to be a sadist or even laud sadism? I'm curious as to where your beliefs about human beings and sado-masochism come from, too. What experiences and/or literature have you been privy too which supports these beliefs?

As a visionary and innovator of ideas, I create my own beliefs through my own observations, coupled with past knowledge, philosophy, and psychology that I have picked up over the years from various sources. The bedrock of these S&M beliefs come from observing the behaviour on forums. Which is not very hard to observe if one were to look into a group of mostly unihibited individuals in an environment like a forum.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 I'm projecting the reality of forums, and perhaps a reality of all humans.

You are ONE fucking person and you sound like an idiot. The only reality you're projecting is your own.

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I filed you under sado-masochist after the last thread.

Nobody cares what you file people under.

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I think humans in general are sado-masochistic, it is just more apparent on forums where humans seem to inflict and receive pain with less inhibition.

I think you in general are retarded, and its more apparent the more you post.

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And perhaps it is done subconciously, for example you think you are not a masochist (teh denial), but I would disagree. I think anyone who engages in a lengthy debate or disucssion about a topic on a forum, that involves some sort of non intellectual rhetoric (attacks), could be considered S&M.

You are one of those people who thinks w/out reason/evidence/or anything in this world that could possibly validate what you say. You are in a way like the leader of a cult or religion.

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For example, the good folks in the Review Forum, they employ sadist behaviour quite often, same with the MD and Chill Out forums. I wonder if there are humans who aren't S&M, and what their attributes are.

They "employ sadist behavoir".

You employ the trademark of someone who tries to sound like they know something, someone who tries really hard, but the second they shut their mouths you ask yourself where they get their crack from..

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Originally posted by Kismet7 As a visionary and innovator of ideas, I create my own beliefs through my own observations, coupled with past knowledge, philosophy, and psychology that I have picked up over the years from various sources. The bedrock of these S&M beliefs come from observing the behaviour on forums. Which is not very hard to observe if one were to look into a group of mostly unihibited individuals in an environment like a forum.

So basically, you're an unqualified lay-person formulating beliefs about others based only on your subjective interpretation in conjunction with unnamed reading material, without any qualified resources to validate said beliefs, which are presumed valid because you have ideas which you believe to be original?


Very interesting.

*Looks down at notepad and writes, furiously, and then appears to be making a frantic circular motion around it*

Well, that's about all the time we have for today. Would you like an appointment card?

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Originally posted by EddieZilker So basically, you're an unqualified lay-person formulating beliefs about others based only on your subjective interpretation in conjunction with unnamed reading material, without any qualified resources to validate said beliefs, which are presumed valid because you have ideas which you believe to be original? Very interesting. *Looks down at notepad and writes, furiously, and then appears to be making a frantic circular motion around it* Well, that's about all the time we have for today. Would you like an appointment card?

So basically you are a slave with no thoughts, beliefs, theories that you have come about yourself. Good job, might as well suck on your thumb too, since you've limited the ideas you can share and topics you can talk about to what you've read in a book.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 So basically you are a slave with no thoughts, beliefs, theories that you have come about yourself. Good job, might as well suck on your thumb too, since you've limited the ideas you can share and topics you can talk about to what you've read in a book. Idiot.

That would be convenient for your sake, but untrue, visionary.

For starters, I've come to believe that all conflict is based in fallacy. Your beliefs, for instance, are fallacious and hence the conflict which is occurring.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker That would be convenient for your sake, but untrue, visionary. For starters, I've come to believe that all conflict is based in fallacy. Your beliefs, for instance, are fallacious and hence the conflict which is occurring.

So why is it that YOU engage in conflict?

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Originally posted by Kismet7 So why do you engage in conflict?

To find the truth.

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