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French 'net piracy' bill passed

Soon coming to your country, too.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8046564.stm

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A controversial French bill which could disconnect people caught downloading content illegally three times has been passed by the National Assembly. The legislation, backed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, was surprisingly voted down by the Assembly last month. The bill sets a tough global precedent in cracking down on internet piracy, and is being closely watched by other governments as a potential deterrent. The global music industry has been calling for tougher anti-piracy laws. The Creation and Internet bill was passed by a vote of 296 to 233 by the lower house and will go before the Senate for final approval on Wednesday. Three strikes The new legislation operates under a "three strikes" system. A new state agency would first send illegal file-sharers a warning e-mail, then a letter, and finally cut off their connection for a year if they were caught a third time. It has been backed by both the film and record industries. But some consumer groups have warned that the wrong people might be punished, should hackers hijack their computers' identity, and that the scheme amounted to state surveillance. The socialist parliamentarian Patrick Bloche said the bill was "dangerous, useless, inefficient, and very risky for us citizens". John Kennedy, chairman of the IFPI, which represents the global music industry, has described the bill as "an effective and proportionate way of tackling online copyright infringement and migrating users to the wide variety of legal music services in France".

good

I don't see this as being good, on many levels.

First, there are privacy issues and state surveillance and blablabla

But on the music industry level, this is just a strike on an industry that is unable to reinvent and adapt itself.

I'm all for paying for music, but this is not the right way to enforce it.

if the artists want more exposure they will give freebies, aka sets.

julien, you know i dloaded a few non legal tracks, but they have to do something.

coming soon to YOUR country. not mine

no one cares about russia.

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Originally posted by elFreak if the artists want more exposure they will give freebies, aka sets. julien, you know i dloaded a few non legal tracks, but they have to do something.

I agree that something has to be done, but not this.

This is just a powerful lobby representing an industry whose key players are not capable of evolution and adaptation.

In an apolitical free market, it means death, but seeing as a free market is non-existent, they can manage to survive by dragging everyone in their failing business model and restraining evolution towards better business models.

Their artist deals are crappy and are also restraining creation.

Why don't they offer a flat rate for their whole catalogue. I would be hundreds for that ?

I mean, Jay, you do agree that this a failing business model and that such laws merely keep on the artifical breathing that model, which should be extinct.

i think it is not up to the patrons to adapt, but the artist.

the companies that give them the advances are not the same entity

people are allowed to profit, and i am drunkish so i'll argue more tomorrow.

like in any other area in life, if you don't break the law you have no problems.

most of the music we enjoy , the artist runs the label and therefore is losing out. Fuck celine in the ass.

and yes the business model is a failing one, but free music is not the answer ever.

/delirium tremens post

There are good and bad things about this precedent. Bad things - already mentioned.

Good thing - because there are far too many people out there who wouldn't spend a penny otherwise on music and movies, or spend way too little. A substantial number of people dont even share that much on those illegal networks, and so many ****ing leechers are out there. They dont share, they dont buy - best of both worlds. Thats why its so hard to find/get a lot of music out there.

Also - how many of you never downloaded illegal music? Hmmmm, be honest. I downloaded a bunch myself.

But I am not worried that much. You wont see me downloading Britnay Spears or Eminem. Or much of today's (copyrighted) music. They'll have to prove in court if I was downloading "illegal" music. But I buy a lot of music, too. Without downloading, I would have never purchased more than half of the music I own today - because of "illegal" downloading I managed to discover so many artists, songs, labels out there to continue from.

But on the other hand, websites like Beaport and ITunes are so shitty. I've run into countless situations when they did NOT have the tunes I was looking for, or as in the case of Beatport - restricted from my area. And I am not exagerrating. Why are they chasing people like me if they cant provide me with the music I look for in the first place?

Internet will change greatly in the future and will be more controlled. Enjoy it while you can.

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Originally posted by elFreak i think it is not up to the patrons to adapt, but the artist. the companies that give them the advances are not the same entity people are allowed to profit, and i am drunkish so i'll argue more tomorrow. like in any other area in life, if you don't break the law you have no problems. most of the music we enjoy , the artist runs the label and therefore is losing out. Fuck celine in the ass.

I don't agree with your first statement. For the sake of argument, let's make it clear that I am talking about music industry as a whole, and that whole is 99.9% Sony BMG and Warner and whatnot.

They are the ones doing the lobbying here, not Archipel and Thinner.

I believe it is up to BOTH the labels and the artists to adapt.

Any artist will tell you that what he/she wants most is to have his/her music heard (unless they are in it for the money). But they still have to eat.

However, it has been shown that artists are willing to change and adapt, whether it is new business models (Archipel sells 320 and vinyl and then distributes VBR ; Unfoundsound is free and uses that publicity to promote Founsound ; etc, etc) or whether it is the new model of publicity-advert like NIN and Radiohead.

However, the big labels are not willing to change, and that is a problem. It is also up to them to change.

They are obviously a company, and have a right to profit, but this is not the argument. The argument is that their business model is failing. It sucks. They will die in the long run. They use their political weight to lobby for laws that will change nothing (come on, let's be serious, piracy is here to stay) instead of contributing new ideas, like a serious business should do.

As I said, a flat rate for the whole back catalogue. I have never heard someone against it. I know I would totally pay.

It already exists for radio, restaurants, etc, which pay a certain amount to some organisation.

As for the labels we enjoy, they are the .01% of the music industry, and are not what this thread is about

Death to all these slimy, IP-advocating, statist fucks. I can't stand them.

lol. really...do people actually think they are going to enforce these laws? they were fining people thousands of dollars for using limewire a few years ago, but i haven't heard much from that. brb torrents.

pheek works at burger king julien

Wont be enforced properly for quite a while

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Originally posted by elFreak no one cares about russia.

that's shoot and miss

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Originally posted by boris_the_bear that's shoot and miss

Ukraine has strong and fast internet

Since I don't fucking download tunes without paying for them I don't fucking care if you get disconnected for doing so.

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Originally posted by Clovis Since I don't fucking download tunes without paying for them I don't fucking care if you get disconnected for doing so.

That's cold.

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Originally posted by SMC That's cold.

COLD AS ICE!

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Originally posted by Clovis COLD AS ICE!

werd

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Also - how many of you never downloaded illegal music? Hmmmm, be honest. I downloaded a bunch myself.

I download my music, yes. Without paying, yes. But I just a couple of days ago bought 5 mp3's because I had a few euros in my PayPal which I didn't find any better use for and have also bought music mostly on vinyl before. And a bunch of shirts too, although that has nothing to do with music since the sound they make sucks, but they look cool. And a stupid mask. And a fan. And the Proteus' The Nature Of The Beast CD right before I went to see him play live, just because I happened to read about the new CD and his gig at pretty much the same time.

I'm happy to pay for music which I like. Currently I don't have nearly enough money to be used in that, so I don't buy much these days but I do open me wallet when I get the chance. I'm happy to pay for other good products of course, like games, software, anime, films and whatever. It's nice to have the chance to try before buy.


Edit: 5, not 4 mp3. Idiot.

So what, do the French have to register an official e-mail address with the post office so that the government knows where to contact them?

I don't see anything wrong here. I mean, you can blame it on the music industry's business model all you want, but clearly it's their loss. People will simply stop buying music in the same quantities if the model is so bad, and the industry will be forced to change in order to increase demand again. It's economics at work, but the illegal downloading places a distortion on the whole thing that allows the music industry to cast blame outward.

I see this as a good development - it enforces a law already on the books, and increases accountability for the business practices of an industry that will likely be forced to make some changes.

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Originally posted by david.michael So what, do the French have to register an official e-mail address with the post office so that the government knows where to contact them?

how do you pay for your internet service?

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