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Posted by Dave Akermanis on May-13-2009 13:53:

Fascism the only way to fight internet piracy?

For those of you who are paying attention to the ongoing Copyfight bring waged by big media in the developed world, you're already aware that France has passed its fascist "HADOPI" anti-piracy legislation.

For the rest of you:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/b...09net.html?_r=1

What does this mean?

Step 1. If you're ACCUSED of copyright infringement by a rights holder, you receive an email with your IP address in it.

Step 2. If you are still SUSPECTED of file sharing, you receive a certified letter telling you you're in big trouble.

Step 3. If you make the mistake of being SUSPECTED of infringement a third time, you'll lose your Internet connection for up to a year.

THERE IS NO RIGHT TO JUDICIAL APPEAL.

Clearly, there are a thousand problems with this: IP addresses can be spoofed or piggybacked, allegations don't prove guilt, many online uses of copyrighted content fall into exempt categories such as fair use, new business models are built on the innovative (re)use of copyrighted material, political dissent is built on the innovative (re)use of copyrighted material, ... oh, and whatever happened to privacy?

Fortunately, we don't have any laws like this currently on the docket in the U.S. or Canada; unfortunately, the "market" is preempting the need for such anger-provoking action on the part of our elected representatives.

Already, two of the four major ISPs have agreed to "voluntarily" adopt a 3-strikes rule against their own customers. They brokered the deal with the RIAA back in December 2008 -- a bitter pill dipped in the carob candy shell of a pledge by the RIAA to stop suing file sharers. Too bad they have already broken that part of the bargain.

Not only does evidence show us that enforcement does nothing to actually curb piracy, but global piracy rates are already on the decline - preempting any need for ridiculous measures such as these.

Totalitarianism is fun isn't it?


Posted by Abercrombie on May-13-2009 13:59:

Losing your ISP is the weakest punishment they can try to give. Big Meh. There are so many ISPs anyone can choose, how is that going to be a deterrent? Lose your @rogers email address?

I already got a letter in Step 1 a few years ago. I've downloaded about 4x as many Wii games in the last few months, than I have in 2 years with my Xbox classic before when I got the letter.


Posted by Jayx1 on May-13-2009 14:00:

Here they just take your car away with out a trial or appeal. So im sure the net isnt a far stretch.


Posted by Vanos on May-13-2009 16:27:

quote:
Losing your ISP is the weakest punishment they can try to give. Big Meh.

As far as i understand, in France now, if you go through "3 strikes", you get banned from ALL ISPs for a year. I may be wrong, but thats what i heard somewhere


Posted by Dave Akermanis on May-13-2009 16:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Vanos
As far as i understand, in France now, if you go through "3 strikes", you get banned from ALL ISPs for a year. I may be wrong, but thats what i heard somewhere


you are banned from all ISP's, correct.


Posted by Dave Akermanis on May-13-2009 17:08:

Ed Felten on the Three Strikes law... Hilarious, a must read.

http://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/f...e-strikes-print


Posted by Endlesswave on May-13-2009 17:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Akermanis
Ed Felten on the Three Strikes law... Hilarious, a must read.

http://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/f...e-strikes-print


Lol
Hilarious. Esp at banning the thought process and air comments. Haha.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-13-2009 17:44:

a guy in Russia got sentenced to 1 year + hefty fine for installing a pirate copy of MS Office
and you're talking about losing a year of internet


Posted by King_Mack on May-13-2009 18:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Akermanis
you are banned from all ISP's, correct.


damn, thats pretty harsh.

But Im pretty sure the profits of these companies when decline severely since pretty much everyone's into pirating lol 90% of internet users will be on the shitlist.


I think thats enough people to create a new information network amirite?


Posted by Flec on May-13-2009 23:01:

quote:
a guy in Russia got sentenced to 1 year + hefty fine for installing a pirate copy of MS Office


link?


Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 23:13:

This is completely BS and won't really do much.

The reason is because the biggest pirates out there (i'm just assuming, but I think my assumption is pretty correct) are well aware how to protect themselves my masking their IP, MAC addresses.

I'm not going to consider myself a genius when it comes to know the ins and outs of the computers, but there is enough information out there to help anyone out with these issues.

Hell, 75% of the time I don't even use my own internet connection...


Posted by Dave Akermanis on May-13-2009 23:16:

quote:
Originally posted by King_Mack
damn, thats pretty harsh.

But Im pretty sure the profits of these companies when decline severely since pretty much everyone's into pirating lol 90% of internet users will be on the shitlist.


I think thats enough people to create a new information network amirite?


What is interesting is that when Sweden(?) passed a similar law recently they saw a huge decline in internet traffic. You'll see IP Law stuff in the news a lot over the next few years - it's toward the top of Obama's list... fucking guy is in big-media's pocket. Big-time.


Posted by exstasie on May-13-2009 23:17:

haha..i was looking for the Russian...

Found this article:

http://www.iterasi.net/OpenViewer.a...gb0iYq2PdhNdE6A

Russian man arrested for Stealing a Bridge


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-14-2009 11:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Flec
link?


in Russian?


Posted by kotsy on May-14-2009 11:15:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
http://www.iterasi.net/OpenViewer.a...gb0iYq2PdhNdE6A

Russian man arrested for Stealing a Bridge



that's too funny!


Posted by exstasie on May-14-2009 12:37:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
in Russian?


yeah..send it.

Google can translate the entire web page for us! And its pretty good too.

I use it all the time at work!


Posted by Prometheus Xex on May-14-2009 12:46:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
yeah..send it.

Google can translate the entire web page for us! And its pretty good too.

I use it all the time at work!



I tried putting Russian text... but it screws up when I post.


Posted by FunkyCrew on May-14-2009 13:13:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
yeah..send it.

Google can translate the entire web page for us! And its pretty good too.

I use it all the time at work!



it was a week or so back, can't find it in the archives, sorry


Posted by Jer on May-14-2009 15:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
I already got a letter in Step 1 a few years ago. I've downloaded about 4x as many Wii games in the last few months, than I have in 2 years with my Xbox classic before when I got the letter.



Posted by devnull on May-14-2009 20:48:

quote:
Originally posted by exstasie
This is completely BS and won't really do much.

The reason is because the biggest pirates out there (i'm just assuming, but I think my assumption is pretty correct) are well aware how to protect themselves my masking their IP, MAC addresses.


The thing is that this will only catch p2p folks and torrent users that pull from trapped sources

This will only hit end users and will not stop the creation of the materials to start with!


Posted by elFreak on May-14-2009 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I don't see anything wrong here. I mean, you can blame it on the music industry's business model all you want, but clearly it's their loss. People will simply stop buying music in the same quantities if the model is so bad, and the industry will be forced to change in order to increase demand again. It's economics at work, but the illegal downloading places a distortion on the whole thing that allows the music industry to cast blame outward.

I see this as a good development - it enforces a law already on the books, and increases accountability for the business practices of an industry that will likely be forced to make some changes.


Posted by Dave Akermanis on May-16-2009 22:41:

quote:
Originally posted by devnull
The thing is that this will only catch p2p folks and torrent users that pull from trapped sources

This will only hit end users and will not stop the creation of the materials to start with!


+1

And therefore will have no impact on piracy...



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