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The History of ID&T

The ID&T label has been around for many many years now, since 1992 at least, releasing hardcore stuff in the beginning, and now trance/hardtrance.
They also organize the biggest raves in Holland (Trance Energy, Innercity, Sensation, Mysteryland etc...)

I think my thread is directed towards dutch TAs for that reason

Could someone tell me the whole history of ID-T ? How did it get started ? How did they impose the whole hardcore scene in Holland and Europe ?
What amazes me the most is how they suddenly changed their style, from hardcore and happy hardcore till 1997/98 and then very uplifting trance; that was around that time that Tiesto and Corsten became big (more like 98/99 though)

What I can't understand is how the majority of dutch ravers and clubbers swtiched from hardcore to trance like all of a sudden, following ID-T's "reconversion".
Was that ID-T's fault, or were dutch people tired of hardcore music ?


Also, many of the current biggest dutch DJs once were hardcore DJs, I got that old Bonzai Jumps vinyl from '95 the other day, DJ Yves - The Main Man, and what did i see on it !!?? That it was co-produced by Tijs Verwerst...aka DJ Tiesto !
That was a shock, hard to believe Tiesto produced awesome hardcore/happy hardcore tunes back in '95 (how old was he back then ???) and a couple of years later became Holland's trance "god".

I talked about it on the TA Hub chat with Biohasard, who also told me that Ferry Corsten used to produce hardcore tracks as well ! (under the Tellurian alias, which was pretty famous back in 94-96). As well as DJ Astrid and Michael de Hey !
That too, was a shock !

So please, someone tell me what's the whole deal, how is it possible that DJs can change their style that radically and what role played ID-T in the whole thing.

I find it kinda worrysome for trance in general, who can be considered just as a big hype, and may go down hill pretty soon

Seems like ID-T and Holland rule the techno world..or what..???



Waiting for your kind answers

oh..... ok

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Seems like ID-T and Holland rule the techno world..or what..???
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NEVER SAY ID-T RULE THE TECHNO WORLD.....NEVER!!! Moet dit hier nu echt blijven staan?...damn.....het wordt er ook niet beter op hier...........

Sorry i upset you there...
I didn't ID-T ruled the techno world..but that it SEEMS like it is...that's why i'd to understand why it seems so

I hope ID-T doesn't rule the techno world..that'd be very sad

I didn't get the "blijven staan" part btw..

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Originally posted by C-naptik Sorry i upset you there... I didn't ID-T ruled the techno world..but that it SEEMS like it is...that's why i'd to understand why it seems so I hope ID-T doesn't rule the techno world..that'd be very sad I didn't get the "blijven staan" part btw..

Okee, i'm not mad
It seems that ID$T is everything, well, they think they are everything......

One word: ID&Shit

ID&T does have some good dj's on the floor (Johan Cyber, Eric de Man, Erick E) , but they dont get a lot of attention like Armin van Hork

Could you give some more explanation to me please..??

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Originally posted by Chicane Armin van Hork

Waaaaaat!!?? Oppassen ventje!!

: mijn nederige excuses

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Originally posted by Chicane : mijn nederige excuses

excuses aanvaard maar vind je Armin van Buuren dan niet goed draaien??! of vind je dat hij de laatste tijd t� veel aandacht krijgt?

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Originally posted by Partyhardy! excuses aanvaard maar vind je Armin van Buuren dan niet goed draaien??! of vind je dat hij de laatste tijd t� veel aandacht krijgt?

Hij krijgt teveel aandacht, wordt op handen gedragen. Dat is nog niet het ergste, maar hij maakt nog teveel fouten in ze mixen. Komt nog eens bij dat zijn ASOT mixen en live performance mixen een wereld van verschil zijn, iedereen denkt dattie mixt zoals in ASOT, maar niet dus...
Hij heeft lekkere platen enzo, dat wel... maar die hoor je amper terug in ze livemixen.
En zijn mening over MP3 varieert van dag tot dag De ene keer staat tie vrolijk door de microfoon te bleren dat je je mp3encoders klaar moet houden, de andere keer rost tie bijna een gozertje in elkaar omdat hij met een CDR komt aanzetten, waarop een ASOT aflevering staat, met de vraag of Armin die wil signeren

(dit las ik ergens, weet niet of het waar of niet is, maar goed )

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Originally posted by Chicane Hij krijgt teveel aandacht, wordt op handen gedragen. Dat is nog niet het ergste, maar hij maakt nog teveel fouten in ze mixen. Komt nog eens bij dat zijn ASOT mixen en live performance mixen een wereld van verschil zijn, iedereen denkt dattie mixt zoals in ASOT, maar niet dus... Hij heeft lekkere platen enzo, dat wel... maar die hoor je amper terug in ze livemixen. En zijn mening over MP3 varieert van dag tot dag De ene keer staat tie vrolijk door de microfoon te bleren dat je je mp3encoders klaar moet houden, de andere keer rost tie bijna een gozertje in elkaar omdat hij met een CDR komt aanzetten, waarop een ASOT aflevering staat, met de vraag of Armin die wil signeren (dit las ik ergens, weet niet of het waar of niet is, maar goed )

lol,sorry dat ik het zeg..maar armin lijkt mij nou niet iemand die iemand bang kan maken...mja misschien tijdens WK botjesbuilden..

Re: The History of ID&T

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Originally posted by C-naptik [..A lot of text..]

I don't know 100% of the story but I'll try to explain some things for you.

It was started out by a couple of brothers/friends in the early nineties I believe. Hardcore was the main style they went commercial with; it has been developing since the early nineties. Almost all DJ's were signed up under their label and they gave all the major parties. Therefore they were marketing leader throughout Holland and the rest of (hardcore loving) Europe..

The explanation for the radical change of their main style is a bit hilarious, and it might be hard to understand if you're not Dutch.

The whole scene ID&T had been creating throughout the years, besides the parties, had a lot of side-effects. Mainly in dressing code (training-jumpsuits, Australian/Cavello pants, Nike Air Max shoes, bald shaved heads, etc.) This had a very negative effect on the opinion of the non-hardcore loving people in Holland, aswell as the media and other Dutch citizens. They found hardcore-lovers, which I will refer to as gabbers, an odd bunch of people. That way there came up a lot of prejudices. Gabbers were supposed to be mainly agressors, hooligan-alike, and massive (ab)users of drugs like XTC. This ofcourse gave the whole gabber-scene a bad name.

In a later stage of the gabber-era the media started pressuring the scene by trying to make a fool of them. Bad articles appeared in magazines and newspapers about how many people died during houseparties etcetera. Ofcourse this led to a lot of resistance amongst the gabbers and ID&T. Then after a while commerce took over and there appeared commercialised versions of certain hardcore songs on the local music television (TMF). This was undoubtly the point where it was possible for the opponents of the gabber music in general to take revenge. Thus some people made 'happy hardcore' songs which became small hits in the Dutch charts. They succeeded in making a fool of the scene and the music by using bad actors and sketches in those videos. This destroyed the commercial reputation for the gabber scene and ID&T's stronghold collapsed.

This was the point for ID&T to begin with something fresh and new, and they started all over with the Trance scene. First with Trance Energy, and later Sensation from which it evolved into a massive new scene which stil stands today.

To make clear; the Dutch audience never became tired of gabber music. Stil this day, there are a lot of parties, but they are all smaller and mostly underground. The true lovers stil have their music but is not as great as it used to be.

And yes, even current day's big Trance DJ's like Ti�sto and Ferry have been involved in making hardcore tunes. Ofcourse, why shouldn't they have done that? At that time it was the main scene and the easiest way of earning money..

To be honest, it's not all that easy to create a good hardcore tune as people think (especially foreigners). I self have been involved in producing hardcore tracks and I can assure you that it's just as hard as creating a pumping uplifting Trance tune..

As for the remark about ID&T & Techno. We do not call the dance-scene Techno in Holland. Techno is a seperate style. I think you offended a Techno fan by saying that ID&T rules their scene

You're welcome..
(I hope you find this interesting; it took a hell of a long time to type.. )

Yes thats the story. There is this dude in my class who thinks that gabber piets - hakkuh & zaguh is the best hardcore track ever

and ofcourse he's hardcore klubbheads fan now, great just what the scene needs!

Hey ScuL, thank you very much for your long post ! At least someone who decided to give me a real explanation...

It's nice you wrote that long, I think you cleared up all points that i brought

I'm just very surprised that it's the media who kind of decided the future of ID-T, by making a fool of them as you said, thus forcing them to create a whole new scene with Trance..that's pretty amazing to me !

Oh and btw, i'm sure that's it's not as easy to create a hardcore tune indeed
It's easy to think the opposite..good you're pointing this out as well !

I'll make sure to copy/paste your post for records, thanks again

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