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And now they are about to ban.... lawnmowers!

It doesnt stop in this fine city of ours!

My god...

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Toronto could be looking at an outright ban on polluting two-stroke engines for lawn care equipment three years from now. That was the word from Toronto's executive committee, as it considered a plan to phase out the equipment for city workers by 2013. The city is looking at getting rid of the fume-spewing motors as a part of its plan to fight climate change. While all internal combustion motors produce particulate and greenhouse gases, the venerable two-stroke motor used to power lawn mowers, hedge trimmers and leaf blowers is a particularly bad offender. A 2001 report from Toronto's medical officer of health showed that a two-stroke engine manufactured a year earlier could emit nearly 500 times as many hydrocarbons, 26 times the amount of carbon monoxide and 49 times as much particulate as a car made in the same year. The executive committee approved the plan, but also decided to look at ways to encourage Torontonians to abandon the motors for either more efficient motors or manual lawnmowers and other devices. Committee member Howard Moscoe moved a motion to look at taking a more aggressive approach - but not immediately. Under his amendment, the city will review the question for regulating the devices in three years. "The city will go ahead with it when people are ready for it," said Moscoe. "The fact of the matter is that almost every home in the city has a lawn that needs to get cut. And more than half of the lawnmowers have two-stroke motors. The pollution is huge - much more than anyone realizes. You could drive a car to Windsor and back and spew less pollutants." But he made it clear that the city wouldn't likely contemplate an immediate ban. He and other councillors pointed to the slow phase-in that of Toronto's pesticide bylaw, which took several years to fully enact a bylaw making it illegal to use pesticides on a lawn. "Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe.

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"Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe.

And there you have it folks, quote of the century. Pretty soon they will find that you cant get blood from a stone.

Fucking assholes.

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"Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe.

I didn't know it was their job

I can understand wanting to get rid of old lawnmowers that produce pollution but unless the government is going to give handouts to people so they can buy new lawnmowers then the government shouldn't be banning them.

I have a non-motorized push lawnmower...not because I'm environmentally friendly but because I don't have a large yard.

you should probably just move

I don�t see what�s wrong with this�

They aren�t banning them at least not right away � if they do it will take years to happen.

They just need to make an aggressive plan to remove them from Toronto homes � offering rebates and/or other initiatives for buying environmentally friendly lawnmowers or (although this would have to be a provincial strategy) banning the sale of these polluting lawn mowers at retailers.

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"Banning something outright is probably not the way to do it - but gradually bleeding people, to the point where it needs to happen, is part of our job," said Moscoe.

I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn�t the way to do it� but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant � the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop.

Davild Miller politics. he needs to be ousted.

I didn't know municipal government was in charge of environment.

last I checked, that was a provincial thing

More important things to worry about in Toronto than lawnmowers...

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Originally posted by Intangible I don�t see what�s wrong with this� They aren�t banning them at least not right away � if they do it will take years to happen. They just need to make an aggressive plan to remove them from Toronto homes � offering rebates and/or other initiatives for buying environmentally friendly lawnmowers or (although this would have to be a provincial strategy) banning the sale of these polluting lawn mowers at retailers. I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn�t the way to do it� but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant � the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop.

So when exactly do you draw the line when it comes to controlling people's lives? Does every little thing need to be government approved?

Do we all need to follow the way of the oracles in city hall or die?

Seriously when is enough enough?

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Originally posted by Intangible I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn�t the way to do it� but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant � the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop.

The people have the right to be selfish, stupid and arrogant, as long as they are not harming others

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Originally posted by Yohan The people have the right to be selfish, stupid and arrogant, as long as they are not harming others

Not in a dictatorship... oh i forgot we have elections. Fat lot of good that does us eh?

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Originally posted by Intangible I agree with this to a degree. Banning it isn�t the way to do it� but doing EVERYTHING else to encourage and FORCE people to stop using these lawn mowers is necessary. It just needs to happen through multiple steps and years and the government needs to spend time EDUCATING people. The fact is too many people are selfish, stupid, and arrogant � the government has to take forceful action or people will never stop.

The problem is the government doesn't want to spend the money or take the time to educate people...which is what the government should be doing....that is their job. They just want to skip those steps and go right to banning something.

I have no issue with getting rid of polluting lawnmowers as long as the government provides rebates when you purchase a new lawnmower. Somehow I don't think this will be the case...it will be more of a stop using them or we will fine you approach.

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Originally posted by Yohan The people have the right to be selfish, stupid and arrogant, as long as they are not harming others

What is pollution?? It harms people, the city, the future...

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced The problem is the government doesn't want to spend the money or take the time to educate people...which is what the government should be doing....that is their job. They just want to skip those steps and go right to banning something. I have no issue with getting rid of polluting lawnmowers as long as the government provides rebates when you purchase a new lawnmower. Somehow I don't think this will be the case...it will be more of a stop using them or we will fine you approach.

I have an issue with it. Why dont they hire people to do it for us with manual equipment since they seem to think everyone else has the time to do it? While they are at it they can dig out the dandelions that are infesting our city thanks to the last nitwit ban that the city and then the province passed.

"TORONTO, IF IT'S CONVENIENT WE WILL SOON FIND A REASON TO BAN IT!"

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Originally posted by Intangible What is pollution?? It harms people, the city, the future...

And soon they will ban cars and then buses and then they will figure out that breathing emits CO2 and restrict movement to lessen the impact. and on and on and on.

Im sure soon all produce in stores will have to be local to save the environment. "why eat an orange when u can have a locally grown turnip??"

We sit here and squabble about lawnmowers while places like china laugh at us, emit real pollution and proceed to bankrupt us into the stoneages with cheap products.

We have nothing but our own ignorance to thank for this!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I have an issue with it. Why dont they hire people to do it for us with manual equipment since they seem to think everyone else has the time to do it. While they are at it they can dig out the dandelions that are infesting our city thanks to the last nitwit ban that the city and then the province passed.

They want people to use environmentally friendly lawnmowers (ie push lawnmowers and electric lawnmowers). I don't agree with banning other lawnmowers as it forces people to spend money on something they don't actually need to spend money on...lawnmowers are not cheap. If the government is willing to give a rebate of 100% of the cost of a new lawnmower then I am all for people trading in old for new. If its going to cost the citizens even a single penny then the government should go fuck itself with a rusty lawnmower blade.

electric lawnmowers are dangerous as you can run over the cord or electrocute yourself if the grass is moist. I know someone who had this happen to them. Push mowers? Pullleeeez!

You go use what you want, ill use what i want. Its a free country isnt it? wait dont answer that!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 You go use what you want, ill use what i want. Its a free country isnt it? wait dont answer that!

Its only free until the government can find away to make money from it

I agree that I should be able to use what I want and you should be able to use what you want. Like I said, the only way I would agree with banning certain lawnmowers is if the government rebates 100% the cost of a new lawnmower. If the governments were forced into having to pay for people to convert to new technologies or environmentally friendly technologies then you wouldn't see them so quick to ban every little thing.

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Originally posted by Intangible What is pollution?? It harms people, the city, the future...

might as well ban farting too then

seriously? banning lawnmower is the best that this city can come up with to battle pollution?

I can think of shitloads of more stuff that causes more pollution than lawnmowers

PS: environmentalism is not the business of municipal governments

How about we ban the government?

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Originally posted by Yohan might as well ban farting too then seriously? banning lawnmower is the best that this city can come up with to battle pollution? I can think of shitloads of more stuff that causes more pollution than lawnmowers PS: environmentalism is not the business of municipal governments

Toronto isnt very polluted. Even on our worst days which are about 7 days a year.

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Originally posted by NuERA you should probably just move

Thats the response you get for caring too much about where you live. "just move"



I wish i wasnt the only one that brought attention to these things

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Originally posted by Yohan I didn't know municipal government was in charge of environment. last I checked, that was a provincial thing More important things to worry about in Toronto than lawnmowers...

You could say that about anything - and then nothing gets done. These engines are a major source of polution and getting rid of them would make a noticeable difference to both the air pollution and noise pollution in the city. I would fully support something like this if you give people enough time to adapt. 3 years seems short but 5 years seems fair - lets move on things like this or we will all be dead in 50 years!

OS

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Toronto isnt very polluted. Even on our worst days which are about 7 days a year.

You need to do some research my friend. Southern Ontario and the NE US are some of the most polluted areas of N.America. Why is it acceptable to have 7 days or even 1 day of bad air? There should be zero. We have the technology to accomplish this, we just need the will. And it will help the economy at the same time!

OS

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Originally posted by DJOS2 lets move on things like this or we will all be dead in 50 years! OS

exaggeration of the year right here.


lawnmowers are the least of our problems. Travel to manila or sao paolo or anywhere in china among other places and you will see what im talking about.

BTW just where do people think electricity comes from anyways? The electricity fairy?

yes im fed up, can you tell?

I dont actually get physically upset by this stuff even though it may appear otherwise on this site. But today im actually pissed off!

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