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Arpeggiator

I want to know if there is any kind of arpeggiator out there that basically has a sequencer that allows you to click buttons where you want to hear the note and then uses that pattern to play whatever it is you have on the piano roll (I use FL). If not, just some other effect/vst that has similar capabilities. The FL arpeggiator SUCKS.

if you want to get creative with apeggios then why not learn the notes in the scale you are working in and literally draw your arp pattern yourself in your midi piano roll. I never use arpeggiators since i learned a bit about theory. All they are doing is playing octaves and different degrees of the scale. Plus drawing yourself makes it more flexible.

MG Trigger gate, its free too.

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1185.html

Its not an arpeggiator though, but a gate plugin.. might help still.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c if you want to get creative with apeggios then why not learn the notes in the scale you are working in and literally draw your arp pattern yourself in your midi piano roll. I never use arpeggiators since i learned a bit about theory. All they are doing is playing octaves and different degrees of the scale. Plus drawing yourself makes it more flexible.

The point of an arpeggiator is not having to do these things, but yeah drawing is more flexible in the long run.

I know but i was just encouraging someone to write something that isn't just just based on 1st 3rd 5th over and over and over.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c I know but i was just encouraging someone to write something that isn't just just based on 1st 3rd 5th over and over and over.

Yep, i prefer this too. But you can however still switch notes around even if its an arp

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Originally posted by Sonic_c if you want to get creative with apeggios then why not learn the notes in the scale you are working in and literally draw your arp pattern yourself in your midi piano roll. I never use arpeggiators since i learned a bit about theory. All they are doing is playing octaves and different degrees of the scale. Plus drawing yourself makes it more flexible.

Yea, I know music theory and all that stuff and I could definitely make arpeggios easily.

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Originally posted by Subtle The point of an arpeggiator is not having to do these things, but yeah drawing is more flexible in the long run.

But that's why I don't even though the flexibility thing is true.

yeah i know but my friend does all his stuff with arps and I ask what he has done and he says "dunno man just clicked the arp thing" knows nothing of using the 2nds or 4ths. I suppose im open for critism here as if you see music as a creative thing you dont have to know anything you just write what sounds or fells good. So from an art point of view im wrong to point this stuff out. I just know when i started trying to create my own mid arps i found it more rewarding than using the arp button.

Its really good to use arpeggiators to compose with and find good melodies and such that sounds good in the mix.

And after you can draw the notes to be more flexible.

But most synths have arpeggiators, so cant u just use the one in the synth ?

Sure you can find a free one on kvr or something?

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Originally posted by floyd741 The FL arpeggiator SUCKS.

Not at all, you probably just don't know how to use it correctly. I think its one of the cooler features in FL, in fact i love the entire piano roll in FL, only feature i see no problem with.

The FL piano roll is the best piano roll there is.

The piano roll is the one thing every other DAW gets wrong.

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Originally posted by floyd741 The FL arpeggiator SUCKS.

do you know of one that's better?

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Originally posted by hundred do you know of one that's better?

I think they expect an arrpeggiator to have hundreds of preset melody patterns [like in z3ta for instance] for them to choose from [which actually makes it NOT an arpeggiator anymore] because they cannot make their own.

Seeing as the FL arpeggiator is...an arpeggiator. Its no wonder why they think it sucks.

What they want is a pattern editor. Only they don't know it.

To OP, there is a vst that does exactly what u want and more, its by Sugar Bytes, its called Consequence. Its actually an instrument that most of the interface is an arpeggiater, besides it being an instrument in itself, you can route the midi out to other instruments. I tested it, it is actually quite nice, I just prefer to draw the notes.

ps- the built in instruments imo were quite sucky but, the arp is what really makes this vst what it is.

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Originally posted by cronodevir What they want is a pattern editor. Only they don't know it.

Exactly. I just used the wrong term. I know music theory and I know what an arpeggio actually is. It's just that on some synths I have used, the pattern editor is called the arpeggiator even though it doesn't actually arpeggiate anything. It just plays notes in a certain pattern. I forget what synth it is but I play around with it a lot when I go to Guitar Center.

Z3ta has an arpeggiator, that does up, down, |updown| and updown...the main arpeggio methods. But it also has like 200 melodic patterns that can be played.

I don't know of any synth or FX that does this off the top of my head. But I am sure one of the big fancy synths can do it. Though I would suggest using the piano roll in what ever DAW. Though if you are looking for melodic patterns for inspiration, then I would agree, I do that myself sometimes.

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Originally posted by Lucidity To OP, there is a vst that does exactly what u want and more, its by Sugar Bytes, its called Consequence. Its actually an instrument that most of the interface is an arpeggiater, besides it being an instrument in itself, you can route the midi out to other instruments. I tested it, it is actually quite nice, I just prefer to draw the notes. ps- the built in instruments imo were quite sucky but, the arp is what really makes this vst what it is.

I saw a screenshot and that looks like exactly what I'm looking for, thanks.

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Originally posted by floyd741 I saw a screenshot and that looks like exactly what I'm looking for, thanks.

No prob, glad to help a fellow producer It really is a nice plug, if you get it, don't give up on controlling other vst's, it was a little tricky at first if I remember correctly but, the effort of getting it to work correctly was worth it.

Cubase has a midi arpegiator and step sequencer

Although I havent figured out how to use them live because they turn the midi thru off

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Originally posted by gr8ape Cubase has a midi arpegiator and step sequencer Although I havent figured out how to use them live because they turn the midi thru off

You use cubase in a live situation?

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Originally posted by Sonic_c You use cubase in a live situation?

no what I meant by ''live'' is direct midi thru

like play a note on your keyboard and hear the effects of the midi arpegiator instead of having to write the notes then playing it back

i dont think i would use cubase live

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Originally posted by gr8ape like play a note on your keyboard and hear the effects of the midi arpegiator instead of having to write the notes then playing it back

You can do this just fine. The MIDI arpeggiator and step sequencer sucks big time though.

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Originally posted by Subtle You can do this just fine. The MIDI arpeggiator and step sequencer sucks big time though.

Yeah, I've always found the cubase midi arpeggiator a pain in behind.

Is there a Logic/Au pattern editor or midi arp available?

I also remember ages ago there was some method to draw some notes, then assign it to a soft sampler so when you pressed one note the pattern would get played in the correct scale per note. Can't for the life of me find it now though?

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