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Drums and Reverb

So, I'm working on a track with a nice beat. The tempo is 128BPM Its going to be a minimal track perhaps. And there is a section with a hiphopish beat in it. And I am not the best when it comes to reverb and drums.

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What I am wondering is what are some ways you add reverb to your drums?

sm room reverb with decay and early reflections set to less than 50ms, plus and an emphasis on eq'ing the bass will help make the drums feel bigger. lpf out the highs

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Originally posted by ClearWater sm room reverb with decay and early reflections set to less than 50ms, plus and an emphasis on eq'ing the bass will help make the drums feel bigger. lpf out the highs

Yeah that is basically what I have, but that kind of reverb doesn't blend with the reverb of the rest of the track. I'll post example.

Edit: I kinda have something, but it feels 1 degree off right.

Sounds like you have it on the kick. Never (well....99% of the time) don't put reverb on the kick. It ruins the clarity.

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Originally posted by Fledz Sounds like you have it on the kick. Never (well....99% of the time) don't put reverb on the kick. It ruins the clarity.

I'm using a drum machine so I don't know really how to separate it. [well, I could load battery 3 a bunch of times, but meh] What I do is set a low cut in Reverb 2, right now I think 500hz and below is cut. But at the same time I don't want a dry sounding kick.

you really need to route your drum samples seperately if you wanna start putting fx on individual drums, or not effecting certain drums.

you could create a send fx with

lowpass at 1000hz
reverb with 100% mix


so that the frequencies below 1000hz are not calculated in the reverb

Reverb 2 Has a hipass and lowpass cut off. I guess I need to experiment more. I don't want the kick, or the low end in general, to be dry. So I need to find a way to reverb it without mudding it. Though maby processing the kick instead will let me give it an undry feeling. The issue is I don't want it to sound like there is literally a kick drum infront of you.

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I need to find a way to reverb it without mudding it

EQ the reverb return.

Hrm, Never thought about that, Reverb is usually the very last effect in the chain. I'll mess with an EQ after the Reverb.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Hrm, Never thought about that, Reverb is usually the very last effect in the chain. I'll mess with an EQ after the Reverb.

Are you using reverb as an insert or a send?
Its a lot more versitile to use reverb on a send and just put an eq or filter after it. You are now just equalizing the reverb and not the initial sound. Although you probably already know this.

My EQ comes before my Reverb in the Mixer [vsti EQ] I don't use Sends. I could also have an EQ after the Reverb too. But most of the time I put it before.

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Originally posted by cronodevir I'm using a drum machine so I don't know really how to separate it. [well, I could load battery 3 a bunch of times, but meh]

battery has like 32 seperate outputs noob, activate them.

also, why aren't you using sends? unless you want to compress the reverb and the original sound together to give them some dynamics (i.e. benny benassi bass reverb), why would you use reverb as an insert?

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Originally posted by mysticalninja battery has like 32 seperate outputs noob, activate them. also, why aren't you using sends? unless you want to compress the reverb and the original sound together to give them some dynamics (i.e. benny benassi bass reverb), why would you use reverb as an insert?

This is true. Cubase has excellent send/return implementation and reverbs most of the time are sends, partly so you can mix the return effectively.

Also, one of the best features of Battery is that it has multiple outputs so you can send different outputs (or groups of) to different destinations. If you're not using the multi outs or the built in FX in battery, you might as well just place the samples on audio tracks or use RM4.

A common studio technique is to find a few reverbs you like - say 4 - one plate, one spring, one large room, one small room and set them up as send FX channels.

This way you just send the channel to your desired reverb by turning up the send on that channel.

This also saves a HUGE amount of processing power because you're running discreet inserts (many duplicated just to create the same effect) on every channel.

The choice of reverbs used and how you use them in this manner gives you a "signature" of sorts - especially after you learn what reverbs go with others, which seems to be part of the problem in this case.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN This is true. Cubase has excellent send/return implementation and reverbs most of the time are sends, partly so you can mix the return effectively. Also, one of the best features of Battery is that it has multiple outputs so you can send different outputs (or groups of) to different destinations. If you're not using the multi outs or the built in FX in battery, you might as well just place the samples on audio tracks or use RM4. A common studio technique is to find a few reverbs you like - say 4 - one plate, one spring, one large room, one small room and set them up as send FX channels. This way you just send the channel to your desired reverb by turning up the send on that channel. This also saves a HUGE amount of processing power because you're running discreet inserts (many duplicated just to create the same effect) on every channel. The choice of reverbs used and how you use them in this manner gives you a "signature" of sorts - especially after you learn what reverbs go with others, which seems to be part of the problem in this case.

Yeah, I usually dedicate a mixer channel to Reverb and route other channels into it, I guess its the same as using Sends? Ive never used the 4 Sends in FL so I wouldn't know. But in this case its finding the right reverbs that go with eachother. I don't want a piano sounding like its in a cavern, drums that sound like they are in a sound room and a bass that sounds like its in the venue.

I'll have to look into this battery feature. I use it because I have the whole kit on the piano roll and I don't have to use patterns, and set new patterns for each variation.



The battery channel is empty in this case, but this is generally how I work. Everything in plain sight on pattern one. Doing each sound in its own channel, wouldn't work this way.

This image is of my entire "Is This Thing Broken?" song. Beginning to End. Also doing it this way I can export it properly to Midi.

It only has 4 sends now? I remember it had 8 "Fx Channels" as they called it when i used it.part of the reason i switched to cubase was cause that wasn't enough.

edit: that's a pretty funny way you have of getting around FL's block based sequencing there xD, almost makes it like a standard seq

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Originally posted by mysticalninja It only has 4 sends now? I remember it had 8 "Fx Channels" as they called it when i used it.part of the reason i switched to cubase was cause that wasn't enough. edit: that's a pretty funny way you have of getting around FL's block based sequencing there xD, almost makes it like a standard seq

There is 64 Mixing channels, 1 Master and 4 Sends.

Yeah, the block based stuff can really hamper you if you are not making EDM.

i see.. did away with the term "FX Channels" did they? Mixing channels makes alot more sense, FX Channel makes it sound like a send, but now that i think back to it, there just like 'group channels' (Bus group) in cubase, not sends.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Yeah, I usually dedicate a mixer channel to Reverb and route other channels into it, I guess its the same as using Sends? Ive never used the 4 Sends in FL so I wouldn't know. But in this case its finding the right reverbs that go with eachother. I don't want a piano sounding like its in a cavern, drums that sound like they are in a sound room and a bass that sounds like its in the venue. I'll have to look into this battery feature. I use it because I have the whole kit on the piano roll and I don't have to use patterns, and set new patterns for each variation. The battery channel is empty in this case, but this is generally how I work. Everything in plain sight on pattern one. Doing each sound in its own channel, wouldn't work this way. This image is of my entire "Is This Thing Broken?" song. Beginning to End. Also doing it this way I can export it properly to Midi.

I see - and yes, by creating a channel with reverb on it and then sending the other tracks to it you're effectively using it as a send.

I don't use FL so can;t help with routing of batter but in logic and cubase you just assign each cell to it's own output or group them together logically. Then you just send those to the desired reverb.

You should look in to the sends in FL though. The main advantage of this way is that you keep dedicated send fx for fx, and not take up track channels. They also usually are easier to configure for things like the wet/dry mix option.

As fro which reverbs go together, it's just a case of practice/experience.

One trick though: as before when you're selecting your 4 reverbs (spring, plate small, large), is the large and the small reverb can be the same reverb preset, just with maybe one or two perameters changed. i.e. the room size. That way all the other characteristics of the reverb will be the same.

It mimics a studio recording room that way: if piano and drums were played in the same room they would have the same naturally occuring reverb when recorded (because of the room), but drums are mic'd a lot tighter so the sound would be similar but the reverb tail smaller, if you get what I mean.

It works the same way when you are creating the sounds, and is then easier to get them to fit sonically.

EDIT: Hang on, why aren't you just using cubase or logic then? Seems like long way round of getting FL to work more them? For what you;re doing, I would use cubase - this is where I felt FL (years ago) was too limited.

FL calls them Inserts

Yeah DJ RANN I'll experiment with this stuff a bit. This is all part of my "learn reverb" day. Few months ago I spent a day playing with Phaser, I can do some nice stuff with it now.

I don't use Cubase because of the Piano Roll and having to do all this extra setting stuff up, working with devices and all that. I can just have FL search for the vsti and load them up. And cubase actually crashed a few times. Plus I have used FL since FLStudio 1.

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Originally posted by cronodevir FL calls them Inserts Yeah DJ RANN I'll experiment with this stuff a bit. This is all part of my "learn reverb" day. Few months ago I spent a day playing with Phaser, I can do some nice stuff with it now.

Well that's kind of misleading - yes they are inset channels but for the point of sending to them, so really they are send FX channels.

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Originally posted by cronodevir FL calls them Inserts Yeah DJ RANN I'll experiment with this stuff a bit. This is all part of my "learn reverb" day. Few months ago I spent a day playing with Phaser, I can do some nice stuff with it now.

i see now, I just looked up a screenshot, you put inserts in the mixer channels.. fl sure has changed. much more standard now, it's like a proper mixer window.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Plus I have used FL since FLStudio 1.

"FL Studio 1" lol.. i believe it was called fruityloops

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Well that's kind of misleading - yes they are inset channels but for the point of sending to them, so really they are send FX channels.

ah your memory decieves you i believe. what was called "FX Channels" in FL back in the day were seperate from the Send channels. the fx channels were just like what you had to route a sound to in order to put insert fx on it.

Is it Cubase with the FLStudio skin? :P

If you want you can make it act very much like the Cubase way of doing things.

In the song editor [playlist editor in fl] you can have midi data, automation data and sample data all displayed. And If i look hard enough I can probably slice the wavs all up like in Cubase also, and do other alterations.

Edit: you can, look in the top right, rasors and other tools are avilable.



You can slice,chop, copy move delete do what ever actually. I didn't even know you could do this stuff untill just now ^^

Also each slice has a drop down menu with many other options.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja "FL Studio 1" lol.. i believe it was called fruityloops

We don't mention "the old name"

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