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Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jun-20-2002 03:05:

To The Mod Who Removed My Sig!

When we started the thing I talked to swamper and he said as long as it said that is was not associated with trancEaddict or himself it would be ok... Also, trancEaddict AG group, trancEaddict eDonkey, what is so wrong with trancEaddict DC community.. Its not like trancEaddict isn't something only we could have come up with; anyone could want to have a trancEaddict hub for people who are addicted to trance.

Just give me a better reason than that because it's not associated with TA.com anyways since swamper never really endorsed it, its only a conincidence that the names are the same.

-m


[edit] and move this to the chillout room too please.. [/edit]


Posted by Virus on Jun-20-2002 03:47:

quote:
Originally posted by davinox
i found a betta sig....


Alltho I really like Paul van Dyk I have to say that sig is really funny.. "Reworking greatness" heh.


Posted by Dave_Masters on Jun-20-2002 07:06:



That sig really is fucking funny, however im not sure fox will see the funy side, and remember he does have power to remove them.

As for the hub. I Really understand the concerns of tranceaddict being associated with the hub. Just Rename the Sigs To "Trance Direct Connect Hub" like i have done.....


Posted by Jah on Jun-20-2002 09:14:

to the fagat who removed my sig (tta) you could have fucking asked i could have saved all the text before you ruthlessly destroyed it you fucking twerp.



hehe j/k sorry i had to vent. you know i love you tta


Posted by Tranz on Jun-20-2002 11:01:

That's the funniest sig I've sever seen.
How can I get one???


Posted by dig2k on Jun-20-2002 11:23:

at least u got told y


Posted by DJ Sarah H on Jun-20-2002 13:44:


*Thread moved to chill out*

With the advent of AG being effectivly closed by the RIAA and the fact that MP3 sharing is still frowned upon by most of the major labels, commercial or otherwise, the fact that tranceaddict.com is the 3rd most popular trance music site (according to google.com) and also due to the fact that tranceaddict.com is well known to DJ's, producers and record labels, it stands to reason that tranceaddict.com has and is under scrutiny by various authorites that wish to see MP3 file sharing totally abolished for copyrighted work.
Therefore tranceaddict.com needs to distant itself from such activitie's.
It does not matter that tranceaddict.com is not based in the USA, Canada too has it's own version of the RIAA as does England, Europe and most major developed countries.
Until an established AG alternative comes along, the authorities will be looking at all other sources of obtaining MP3 files from the internet and if tranceaddict.com is seen as a place where information to access such files and as a place to readily obtain mp3 files then it will also be a target.
tranceaddict.com is 1st and foremost a site for trance related issues, as in discussing the music, the quality of Dj's , production's , where the scene is going etc, NOT as a source for mp3.

As a MP3 downloader myself I do understand how everyone on these forums feel, I myself see the fact that trance MP3's have been so widely available is good for the scene, it's taken the genre to area's of this world that possibly would not have had trance music otherwise, even in the highly commercial realm of the USA, trance music is not widely available to buy, so the use of MP3 in those area's can only be good for the scene as it brings trance to a wider audience and some of those ppl exposed will explore ways to BUY trance either thru importation or by buying online, so therefore generating new sales.
It is a fact that record sales have gone UP since the advent of places like Napster but the commercial record labels fail to see that, all they see is each downloaded track of an artist say like Britney Spears is another few cents that has not gone into their pocket.
What they fail to see is yes maybe some person has Dled 2 britney tracks but that has prompted them to buy the album on cd.
It's all swings and roundabouts with the MP3 scene, some producers like Armin do realise the benefit of MP3 but in the overall aspect of things, Armin is not a big name in the world of music and therefore has little say in the commercial realms of popular music.

In essence what i am trying to put across to u all is that Yes AG is dead, but their is no need to lose your heads and start posting all over ta forums about this or that hub or places to obtain mp3, an AG alternative will surface soon enough and then the hubs will be mainly forgotten about.
Until there is that AG alternative, don't give the authorites another legitimate target in tranceaddict.com, just for maybe a couple of weeks of mp3 files being scarce, do u really want to risk losing a site like tranceaddict.com and get Swamper into all sorts of shit ?
Why should He have to pay for U to obtain a few mp3's ?
I suggest that u all think about the long term effects of your short term solutions just cos u want a few mp3's.

as a footnote, We have the DJ forum's here for up and coming producer's artist's to showcase their work and there it is legal for them to post their mp3 as long as it's their own work.
Try downloading some of those guys work, most of it is really good and its Legal


Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jun-20-2002 18:53:

Neo: I understand where you are comming from and that TA does not want to go under because of our Hub, but I do not see it as a short term solution. I see it as the solution. So far the Hubhas grown enoprmously, all the same type of music is available and everyone seems completely positive and exited about the potential the hub has.

On one hand there is the fact that the hub is not associated with TA.com and all that bit I put in my first post which, legally, is sound. On the other, I understand that we just dont want to have that shit going on here because then something could happen for the worse.

Anyways, thanks for an explanation. Thats all I really wanted.

cheers,
Marc


Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Jun-20-2002 18:55:

I really don't see the RIAA targeting an electronic dance music site though. Most artists in this genre are perfectly fine with the idea of the MP3. The only label I can think of that has a problem with MP3s (singles not livesets) is Blackhole.


Posted by DJ Sarah H on Jun-20-2002 19:10:

quote:
Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
I really don't see the RIAA targeting an electronic dance music site though. Most artists in this genre are perfectly fine with the idea of the MP3. The only label I can think of that has a problem with MP3s (singles not livesets) is Blackhole.



Unfortunately, the RIAA and similiar bodies are looking at all types of sites that offer mp3, they employ ppl to sit at a PC all day and surf the web looking for mp3 sites, they have a set list of priorites, hence why TA.com has never had albums for DL, as this is high on the RIAA hit list.

I agree with u that most artists in this genre appear to be MP3 friendly but their labels are not.
In the case of most trance labels, they are owned by larger labels, example Nebula are owned by Virgin and virgin are one of those labels protected by the RIAA.
Sony own many minor labels and are also covered by the RIAA.
And as such, being a part of a corporation owned by companies protected by the RIAA, the ruling applies to those minor labels too.

Many of the Trance artist's / producer's on those labels have NO say in what polocies the labels use / uphold and therefore those trance artist's are not to blame in this case on the whole.


Posted by torontotrance on Jun-20-2002 21:57:

Sighs..

Your signature was disabled.....BECAUSE it was TOO BIG!. You were given at least a week's notice to change it. Your fault, not mine.


Posted by Blue. on Jun-20-2002 23:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Wicked Neo

tranceaddict.com is 1st and foremost a site for trance related issues, as in discussing the music, the quality of Dj's , production's , where the scene is going etc, NOT as a source for mp3.



That's why they are downloadable from the main site?


Posted by Swamper on Jun-20-2002 23:13:

quote:

That's why they are downloadable from the main site?


You can't compare a few choice singles / livesets / videos with a readily accessible multi gigabyte storehouse of music (which would likely include many albums).


Posted by Miss Proximus on Jun-21-2002 08:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Swamper


You can't compare a few choice singles / livesets / videos with a readily accessible multi gigabyte storehouse of music (which would likely include many albums).


O yes I can!! I just did!! See? -> /me compares



Posted by Palivar on Jun-21-2002 09:49:



"That's right, Bonzo. I'm with the RIAA and we don't take any bullshite from you monkeys!"


Posted by Blue. on Jun-21-2002 14:57:

You can even download them from other members as far as I know since I've done so in the past.


Posted by SmellsExcellent on Jun-21-2002 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
Sighs..

Your signature was disabled.....BECAUSE it was TOO BIG!. You were given at least a week's notice to change it. Your fault, not mine.


WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!! dude, the sig that got disabled was the right size but was promoting the TA hub and was disabled because it was for a TA hub which some feel should not be so named. dont say shit like that when you have no idea what you are talking about.

did you eve read through this thread.. shit man.

ok im done.

-marc


Posted by torontotrance on Jun-21-2002 21:47:

Smile

1)You are completely wrong
2)You got a problem, you pm me
3)I destroyed his sig for being TOO BIG not for the ta hub. Those were other ppl and it was a concensus mod decision about destroying those.


Posted by ampburner on Jun-21-2002 21:54:

lol why do you say 'destroy'?
btw the mods could have contacted me, I made the original banner, and it was hosted on my webspace, I could have easily edited or deleted it. no need for any destroying....


Posted by torontotrance on Jun-21-2002 21:55:

Question

destroy, edit, suspend.....it was the only word that came off the top of my head....anyways...i never touched your signature...some other mod musta done that.


Posted by ampburner on Jun-21-2002 22:00:

no problem it was suspended because it was the hub banner sig. but what I was saying ... If some mod had asked me i would have replaced the sig on my webspace with one that wouldn't have any reference to TA and woudl be smaller or whatever. quite a lot of ppl had that link to the one on my webspace in their sig, so if i'd change that, i'd change theirs aswell.

but no biggie


Posted by torontotrance on Jun-21-2002 22:03:

Smile

see with this direct connect hub stuff, you can have it as a sig but no links to tranceaddict with direct hub must be mentionned because we honestly have no part init.


Posted by ampburner on Jun-21-2002 22:07:

yeah I understand you don't have to explain


Posted by lMIlk on Jun-21-2002 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by SmellsExcellent


WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!!! dude, the sig that got disabled was the right size but was promoting the TA hub and was disabled because it was for a TA hub which some feel should not be so named. dont say shit like that when you have no idea what you are talking about.

did you eve read through this thread.. shit man.

ok im done.

-marc


haha


Posted by DJ Sunburn on Jun-22-2002 02:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Palivar


"That's right, Bonzo. I'm with the RIAA and we don't take any bullshite from you monkeys!"


Where does he come up with all this shit? And the pictures...jesus man...


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