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Is most DJing today illegal?

I was recently scolded for posting a link to a classic trance set over on trance.nu. The scolder said that t.nu doesn't allow any illegal activity like the sharing of MP3s, posting of DJ sets, and so on. It's pretty obvious to me that the hosting of live sets is generally illegal, since in most cases you're sharing a collection of copyrighted material without getting permission from any of the copyright owners. But that got me thinking about the more general question of DJing.

Is DJing itself usually illegal? I say "usually" because as far as I know most DJs are fairly small-time and therefore feel no need to sign up with any organizations or get broadcasting rights for the songs they play from any legal bodies or copyright owners. So they're technically "broadcasting" copyrighted material without getting any permission, and in some cases profiting from doing so when they play clubs or events -- which is illegal in most countries, right?

I'm not particularly worried about this stuff, I'm just kind of curious about the legal status of it all.

clubs pay licensing fees, as do radio stations.

promo sets are a grey area, but most of the producers/labels are happier to get the free promo and won't say anything. This music is not exactly a huge money maker, so any publicity is good publicity.

ps trance.nu is for fags fag.

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Originally posted by elFreak ps trance.nu is for fags fag.

Hey, I was just trying to expose them to something outside the "Filo & Peri / Tiesto" spectrum. But it was a fail.

*take away your moog*

you obviously don't deserve it.

...from my cold dead hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4

http://msl1.mit.edu/esd10/docs/bglobe_bmi_article.pdf

That's a pretty good newspaper article on just this topic.

thanks for the article

I think the real question is this:

What the hell were you doing at t.nu in the first place?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I think the real question is this: What the hell were you doing at t.nu in the first place?

This.

Also, if not for DJs, most EDM producers would be out of 'jobs'.

Hehehe, 'jobs'.

well, if you look on your CDs, it shows a warning saying that any public performance is prohibited, so yeah, I guess it is illegal technically

Trance.nu is just retarded. If your not making any profit from it and you've modified it to make it your own, ie a mix, then it's not illegal. Plus no one except trance.nu cares about posting up mixes lol.

Beatport and other digital music retailers like Junodownload, Audiojelly, and DJ Download are marketing and selling the tracks contained in their sites as "music for DJs". The whole purpose of those tracks is to be played out in public.

Re: Is most DJing today illegal?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles posting a link to over on trance.nu.

That was your first mistake lol You think our mods are tough? They take it to the next level

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Originally posted by DJ Blitzkrieg Trance.nu is just retarded. If your not making any profit from it and you've modified it to make it your own, ie a mix, then it's not illegal. Plus no one except trance.nu cares about posting up mixes lol.

That's not true.

If you're broadcasting something without the owner's permission then it's against the law, regardless of whether or not you are doing it for profit.

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Originally posted by Domesticated That's not true. If you're broadcasting something without the owner's permission then it's against the law, regardless of whether or not you are doing it for profit.

Doesn't purchasing a song automatically give you the right to play it however you want?

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Originally posted by ziptnf Doesn't purchasing a song automatically give you the right to play it however you want?

No. It's just like when you buy a DVD and they have the disclaimer at the start warning you against public screenings (OIL RIGS!).

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Originally posted by euphoria That was your first mistake lol You think our mods are tough? They take it to the next level

We have mods?

The reason why trance.nu are so harsch when it comes to posting mixes are because they are sucking off Tiesto and Armin (I.e. receiving free CDs for review purpose etc). Imagine Tiesto getting angry at them. That would be a nightmare. Loosing his support! The death of trance! This is complete bullshit.

trance.nu are trying to set up a morally higher ground whereby their forum is not a filesharing site. Whatever benefits this brings is rather pointless, considering its membership base is filled by all the teenagers alternatively logging into the countless blogs to download music anyway.

However, the t.nu owners can sleep comfortably at night - knowing their site is legit? lol

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Originally posted by Domesticated That's not true. If you're broadcasting something without the owner's permission then it's against the law, regardless of whether or not you are doing it for profit.

That is right - even though it's a commonly accepted policy in the EDM "scene" (sic) that labels don't care about DJ mixes being shared it still isn't legal.

DJ mixes are "fair use" in my opinion. But I'm not a lawyer nor will I fight it in court. The fact is that sharing mixes is an accepted part of EDM culture.

I have an amusing trance.nu anecdote to share. A couple of years ago when I began promoting free and legal music licensed under the Creative Commons I was shut out from posting on their forum for file sharing. Initially they said it doesn't matter what the licence appears to be; they wanted written authorization from every artist plainly stating that they were cool with having their music posted online. Mind-boggling. It's like no one can imagine that a producer might want to share their music freely to reap the promotional benefits. I haven't had any trouble since winning that particular war at least, but still... what a strange set of attitudes and policies.

they just don't want shit on their hands. so they draw a sharp line. if members still want mixes they go to here or the mixingbowl or whatever. it's not that if you can't get it at t.nu, you can't get it anywhere else..

What good is trance.nu anyway? Seems like a lot of Armin/Tiesto fan boy stuff and little else.

yeah people there seem to think that Tiesto invented trance sometimes around the year 2000.

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