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Posted by torontotrance on Jun-20-2002 22:05:

Stop Adding Vocals!

Here is my rant

Why do ppl keep adding vocals to vocaless tunes. They have wrecked so many songs that way.

1.Riva - Stringer into Riva - WHo do you love now (totally destroyed it)
2.DJ Tiesto - Flight 643 - tune was decent but they wrecked it
3.DJ Tiesto - Urban Train ........why add a vocal to such an amazing tune
4.three drives on a vinyl - sunset on ibiza......amazing tune, they added a vocal and destroyed the song

i could keep going on.....please ppl......don't wreck songs by adding pointless vocals.

Posted by bodhichitta on Jun-20-2002 22:10:

I totally agree man. I mean, vocals are fine if the track is designed with them in mind, but if people are just going to add vocals to perfectly good tracks (you have mentioned several good examples), there is a MUCH greater chance to do more harm than good.

Personally I'm not that big of a vocals fan anyway. Give me a melody anyday. Though I recognize (and love) beautiful vocals when I hear them.

Posted by jeronemango on Jun-20-2002 22:23:

they just put them in to make the crossover into euro cheese, make some more money...

Posted by Blue. on Jun-20-2002 22:28:

Re: Stop Adding Vocals!

1.Riva - Stringer into Riva - Who do you love now
Original Stringer was good thats all that matters

2.DJ Tiesto - Flight 643
Original Flight 643 was good thats all that matters

3.DJ Tiesto - Urban Train
Have to agree on this one

4.three drives on a vinyl - sunset on ibiza
Never heard the vocal version of it but original is amazing thats all that matters

Posted by estes on Jun-20-2002 22:49:

virus - hypnotise <--should never have had any vocals to begin with..great song turned to crap...someone make a dub

Posted by [mart] on Jun-21-2002 00:12:

quote:
Why do ppl keep adding vocals to vocaless tunes. They have wrecked so many songs that way.

Agreed. I must say however that the Coast 2 Coast Vocal Remix of 4 Strings - Take Me Away (Into The Night) wouldn't be half as gorgeous as it is if it didn't use the pointless vocals added to the original.

Posted by nate735 on Jun-21-2002 01:47:

almost all he songs that they add vocals to have an original mix without them so it dosent bother me as long as i get the original version.

Posted by Nucleogenesis on Jun-21-2002 03:13:

vocal

i dont like vocals much.

Posted by Arbiter on Jun-21-2002 03:35:

I agree, tracks that are produced with vocals are sometimes pretty good, but adding vocals later is almost always a disaster.

Posted by Walter Mindz on Jun-21-2002 03:37:

quote:
Originally posted by jeronemango
they just put them in to make the crossover into euro cheese, make some more money...

LOL... that's why i'm more of instrumentalist.

quote:
Originally posted by MaRt

Agreed. I must say however that the Coast 2 Coast Vocal Remix of 4 Strings - Take Me Away (Into The Night) wouldn't be half as gorgeous as it is if it didn't use the pointless vocals added to the original.

For sure, there's so many tracks out there now, that were just ruined by vocals.
This is trance music right???... So how are you gonna be put into a Trance from a song when it limits your imagination by vocals??

Posted by Eu4ea on Jun-21-2002 05:37:

I agree, there have been so many good tracks ruined by vocals.
Vocals are more often unnecessary than not,
recent example:Snap vs. Plaything- Do you see the light (Push vocal remix) what a great tune ruined by the silly singing!

also
---The Space Brothers - Everywhere I go -- it's great that there is paul's dubber verious of this ruined track.

Vocals are only good in my oppinion ,if it's incredible lyrics, if it's an incredible voice, or if it is used as an insrument, like in
James HOlden- One For you or in Orbital - Halcyon & on & on.

agree that they are used to make it appeal to the public, tracks like Rapture and Riva- Who do you love now, are the only ones that have a chance on mainstream radio.

cheers
Ilina

Posted by Nick_Jay on Jun-21-2002 06:09:

Ok, well I havent read all the posts, but this is my view.

SURE some tracks OK most tracks get ruined when added stoopid vocals. But I gues then the track caters for 2 crowds because there are your typical vocal trance crowds who like the female vocal and I admit I like that, but the track with no vocals pleases the non vocal trance crowd... I guess in the end it pleases both crowds, and cheesy vocals are what sell a lot of the tracks...

OK im ranting on, ill leave it at that

haha

Posted by branmuffin on Jun-21-2002 07:27:

I love vocals, and I very rarely thing a song where vocals are added ruin the track, and often they add to it. I personally find that Tiesto - Flight 643 is better with vocals, but then again, I dont like the melody all that much to begin wiht.

One song that I really would like a good dub mix of is Tilt - Invisible. It has a really good melody, but it is completely covered up throughout just about every mix of the song I have. Another good track ruined by vocals is Thrillseekers - Synaethesia.

But tracks that are designed with vocals are devinately the best. Fragma - Everytime you need me (A+B rmx), or Aurora - Ordinary World are two great examples.

Posted by Heresy on Jun-21-2002 09:01:

Spoiled & Zigo - More & More (Vocal mix) - if that isn't an example track thats ruined by vocals, then I don't know what is. The vocals are annoying to start with - but (to me) they're in the wrong parts of the song - they overshadow all the buildups and stuff.

Posted by tu_face on Jun-21-2002 09:23:

Re: Stop Adding Vocals!

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
Here is my rant

Why do ppl keep adding vocals to vocaless tunes. They have wrecked so many songs that way.

1.Riva - Stringer into Riva - WHo do you love now (totally destroyed it)
2.DJ Tiesto - Flight 643 - tune was decent but they wrecked it
3.DJ Tiesto - Urban Train ........why add a vocal to such an amazing tune
4.three drives on a vinyl - sunset on ibiza......amazing tune, they added a vocal and destroyed the song

i could keep going on.....please ppl......don't wreck songs by adding pointless vocals.

riva - stringer yes ruined..

but

urban train.... yes on the original the vocals sound crap.. but the vocals are awesome on the whippenberg mix (my fave mix as it happens )

flight 643... it was a bootleg type thingy.. but yeah i get ur point on that

sunset on ibiza... i quite like the lyrics in the enrico mix..

but yeah, too much of the time there is vocals being inserted onto tracks when they dont need to be there...

Posted by webbie on Jun-21-2002 17:10:

I second that, vocals can really mess everything up so bad.

I want to feel the music not some girl singing about her mistakes in life when she didnt use birthcontrol.
But I guess sometimes the strive to make more money then to actually be pleased with the tune is higher.
To hear a producer say "yeah and the vocals works out pretty good" is just rubbish to me, it shouldnt
be "pretty good" it should be PERFECT.

Too many songs ruined by vocals, tho some tunes with vocals in the original is okay.

Posted by demons on Jun-21-2002 17:32:

just thought id point out that the reason that most vocals are put on to trance tracks is to appeal to a wider audience. i.e. the people that make up the charts, i.e. the people that provide the money to allow record labels to make a profit (for a change). Most trance labels make hardly any money from vinyl sales unless it has chart potential and when this is decided (for example , its a massive club track)it is a known fact that radio will generally only play daytime trance that has vocals. Trance labels need radio to get their track into the charts (by mainstream people hearing the track and going and buying it on release)therefore making some money to support the finding of new club tracks and keeping the non profit making club music alive.

Real trance labels that put new vocals on established tracks arent in it to make MORE money, they are in it to make SOME money.

A lot of critism is levelled at the record labels but people should understand that they are just as passionate about the music as you are.

Support your labels people!

Posted by davinox on Jun-21-2002 18:33:

quote:
Originally posted by webbie
I want to feel the music not some girl singing about her mistakes in life when she didnt use birthcontrol.

WTF song is that??!?!?!!?! lol!!

Posted by Eugene on Jun-21-2002 18:58:

Could you imagine a song like Sunscreem - Exodus or Sunscreem - Please Save Me without vocals? How about Quadran - Unlovable?

Vocals are nice, if they're good and appropriate.

Posted by torontotrance on Jun-21-2002 20:43:

i mean...use vocals when needed...and no vocals when needed

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jun-21-2002 20:54:

I like vocals in most songs.. actually I dont really notice their there in some songs.. kind of just flows into the track. But then again, there are some tracks that I like without them.

This is why they make vocal mixes, and instrumental.

If you dont like the vocals, dont listen to that mix. Its as simple as that.. some people do like the added vocals.

Posted by TEN - JI on Jun-21-2002 21:29:

These guys need to make a living to you know, so that means bringing their product into commerce. (I used to call it selling out)
It's all about the masses.
So in a way I don't blame 'em, but I won't deny that most of the time they really mess up great pieces of work

Posted by DJ-Ande on Jun-21-2002 21:39:

they r all good without da vocal n with, especially 643 8i think it brings a more friendly thing 2 da choon it makes it more repetative, urban trains vocal isn't much but the orig was so so so good it cudn't be destroyed n i agree with that riva is crap with the vocal. neva heard the vocal version of greece 2000, did think the orig was nething 2 speacial so i opse a few vocals wudn't change by opinion.

well dats my opinion

Posted by Stormdance on Jun-21-2002 22:10:

Definitely a lot of songs that vocals cock up. Though there are a couple that while cool, adding vocals to them made them simply amazing IMO, like

Monoboy - The Music In You
Cass & Slide - Perception

such excellent vocals...

Posted by Tranz on Jun-22-2002 01:32:

Some other tracks ruined by vocals...

Agnelli & Nelson - Everyday

4 Strings - Into the Night

Bombfunk MC's - Live Your Life(Push Remixes)

Gouryella - Walhalla

There are many more....
but they escape my mind right now.

Oh yea, any Ayumi Hamasaki remix!