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Hi guys

Pls dont start to be lame, okay? I just want to discuss about fruitys audioengine. There is ppl who tell there isnt any difference in different DAW:ns. There is also ppl who hear those difference and i'm one of them.

i really like fruity, but the audioengine sucks ass. Mid's and high is okay, but the low end. Those low notes, oh man. Am i the only one who hear the difference? Again, pls dont start to flame. Just discuss. Peace and love! Eat pizza! It's keeps you happy

def an alt

I have used FL studio in the past and have had no problems with the sound. If you find that the sounds 'suck ass', then you're doing something wrong in the process. Or you don't have enough knowledge about this program. Learn to EQ, if you're having problems with some frequency bands.

Make sure you've taken FL's limiter off the master

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Originally posted by pizzaguy i really like fruity, but the audioengine sucks ass. Mid's and high is okay, but the low end. Those low notes, oh man.

That's a pretty undefined opinion you have there, saying the low end sucks. It think you should find your problems somewhere else than simply blaming the audio engine. The problem could be that you don't have decent monitoring, or even you low freq's mixing skills aren't that good.

There are a lot of good producers (like breakfast Youtube Link) that produces with FL, and I don't think there low end sucks!

So, honestly, I'm not flaming at you, but try to look for the problem somewhere else than simply saying the audio engine sucks and that's that.
Audio engine are different though, and ones are better than the other. A audio engine simply doesn't suck at low ends, it's the man behind it that does .

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Originally posted by orTof�nChiLd def an alt

Yeah...but TA members are so gullible.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Yeah...but TA members are so gullible.

seems a strange subject to make an alt for*



*and no it isnt me.

You never know, it could be cronodevir for that matter

Hey pizzaguy! Do you take orders to Sweden? If so, I'll order one Capricciosa and one 1,5 liters coke. I'll give you a nice tip mate!

Haha good one

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I've been using FL Studio since the 4th version. And yea, back in the day you could definitely hear a huge difference between tracks that used lots of FL plug ins and fx, but now in FL Studio 8 you can't really hear it anymore.

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Originally posted by Theran There are a lot of good producers (like breakfast Youtube Link) that produces with FL, and I don't think there low end sucks!

Great track

Don't worry about us being lame - I don't compete when I know I can't win.

i think it all comes down to comparing notes with tracks you hear on the net or tracks made by other producers on diffrent daws.
witch leads to the op,wondering why fl sucks.

Its not me, I tell you when I make an alt, such as now.

If I had a problem with FL id go to the fl forums, but meh. Anyways, i think the op is full of it. Ableton is the program that had a bad sound engine, there have been threads about it already, search around. [threads in the past 3 months]

I will flame the OP only cause he deserves it.

You are an idiot.

You do not have magical ears, you are not special, FLs sound engine is right on par with every other DAW out there imo

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Originally posted by Ry Thomas Make sure you've taken FL's limiter off the master

Or use it properly, rather than squashing the crap out of the master.

I've had no low end issues with FL8, with older versions such as 3, 4 and 5 I wasn't using professional monitors and was a total beginner so can't really comment.

If you eq, mix and master properly it sounds ok to me.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Its not me, I tell you when I make an alt, such as now. If I had a problem with FL id go to the fl forums, but meh. Anyways, i think the op is full of it. Ableton is the program that had a bad sound engine, there have been threads about it already, search around. [threads in the past 3 months]

What is wrong in ableton engine?

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Originally posted by pizzaguy What is wrong in ableton engine?

I don't know, but people made some threads about it specificly. Search.

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Originally posted by pizzaguy What is wrong in ableton engine?

For live mixing, it's features are good. But when it comes to producing and then mixing in it, it's horrible.

I played around with several workstations and loaded up the same vsts, same settings and same notes...basically same music.

After exporting with the same settings, i noticed some big differences.

Cubase & Samplitude are on par, although I like the clarity a little more in Samplitude.
I don't find anything wrong with Reason's mixdown, you just need to learn to eq and use the mastering suite included. But you can getter better mixdown by rewiring and then applying better effects.

As for Ableton, the low frequencies seem to get washed out in a way. There's no punchiness to the sound unless you really go about adding effects after effects. But why go through extra trouble when you can get good results with less effort in a differnt DAW.
And when you rewire to mixdown, Ableton won't let you use virtual instruments. You have to bounce each track to audio, which is a pain in the ass.

Many people I know have said the same thing. They complained Ableton has a certain washed out sound to it. Just like people complain Reason has a muddiness to it.

I used to use FL studio, when starting out few years ago. It has some really good features that I miss.

Few things that made me switch is because, i have a quad-core processor and 4 GB ram. FL doesn't have multicore support I heard (not sure). And I just like the interface of Acid Pro 7 & Samplitude 10 way better. The midi editor in both are same as FL's in a way (fast workflow). But I enjoyed FL while I used it. I have no complaints really. It's a good learning tool.

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Originally posted by SGL For live mixing, it's features are good. But when it comes to producing and then mixing in it, it's horrible. I played around with several workstations and loaded up the same vsts, same settings and same notes...basically same music. After exporting with the same settings, i noticed some big differences. Cubase & Samplitude are on par, although I like the clarity a little more in Samplitude. I don't find anything wrong with Reason's mixdown, you just need to learn to eq and use the mastering suite included. But you can getter better mixdown by rewiring and then applying better effects. As for Ableton, the low frequencies seem to get washed out in a way. There's no punchiness to the sound unless you really go about adding effects after effects. But why go through extra trouble when you can get good results with less effort in a differnt DAW. And when you rewire to mixdown, Ableton won't let you use virtual instruments. You have to bounce each track to audio, which is a pain in the ass. Many people I know have said the same thing. They complained Ableton has a certain washed out sound to it. Just like people complain Reason has a muddiness to it. I used to use FL studio, when starting out few years ago. It has some really good features that I miss. Few things that made me switch is because, i have a quad-core processor and 4 GB ram. FL doesn't have multicore support I heard (not sure). And I just like the interface of Acid Pro 7 & Samplitude 10 way better. The midi editor in both are same as FL's in a way (fast workflow). But I enjoyed FL while I used it. I have no complaints really. It's a good learning tool.

This isn't the first time I've heard this, but I can't hear it.

Every time someone posts something about this they never post an kind of comparison setting, except for the time TArekith over at abletonliveforms.com did a test. I couldn't hear a difference but according to the analyzers there was a small difference.

A couple of things that improve the quality in Live:

Turning Samplers interpolation on "high" when you pitch shift samples
Turning on the HQ button on audio samples
Enabling HQ mode on some of the effects by right clicking
There's a drop down box for quality in Live's native reverb plug-in

If you have some comparison files, post 'em.

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Originally posted by SGL For live mixing, it's features are good. But when it comes to producing and then mixing in it, it's horrible. I played around with several workstations and loaded up the same vsts, same settings and same notes...basically same music. After exporting with the same settings, i noticed some big differences. Cubase & Samplitude are on par, although I like the clarity a little more in Samplitude. I don't find anything wrong with Reason's mixdown, you just need to learn to eq and use the mastering suite included. But you can getter better mixdown by rewiring and then applying better effects. As for Ableton, the low frequencies seem to get washed out in a way. There's no punchiness to the sound unless you really go about adding effects after effects. But why go through extra trouble when you can get good results with less effort in a differnt DAW. And when you rewire to mixdown, Ableton won't let you use virtual instruments. You have to bounce each track to audio, which is a pain in the ass. Many people I know have said the same thing. They complained Ableton has a certain washed out sound to it. Just like people complain Reason has a muddiness to it. I used to use FL studio, when starting out few years ago. It has some really good features that I miss. Few things that made me switch is because, i have a quad-core processor and 4 GB ram. FL doesn't have multicore support I heard (not sure). And I just like the interface of Acid Pro 7 & Samplitude 10 way better. The midi editor in both are same as FL's in a way (fast workflow). But I enjoyed FL while I used it. I have no complaints really. It's a good learning tool.

Well i notice this in FL Studio. And i know there is alot of ppl who agree me, they just dont want to say it.. cause why? Everyone start to flame you. Anyway this is first time i hear this about live.. i though fruity sounds bad!

i agree fruitys tools. Pianoroll is superb. I rly miss it. New fruity 9 will support 4 core, it is in alrdy in beta 8.5.

I went and i bought Podium license. It cost only 39€. And it's have huge potenttial. 64 bit mixing engine. It just sound superb. This little program have it own weakness.. No easy sidechain, some drag and drop features are useless. Zooming and etc.. needs rly get used to it.

Its very very stable DAW, i think its most stable DAW ever. I have zero crash so far. Very talend programer. Take a look!

CLICK

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Originally posted by pizzaguy I went and i bought Podium license. It cost only 39€. And it's have huge potenttial. 64 bit mixing engine. It just sound superb. This little program have it own weakness.. No easy sidechain, some drag and drop features are useless. Zooming and etc.. needs rly get used to it. Its very very stable DAW, i think its most stable DAW ever. I have zero crash so far. Very talend programer. Take a look! CLICK

we don't need that racket

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Originally posted by pizzaguy This little program have it own weakness.. No easy sidechain

not the sidechain!!!!!

sidechain in fruity loops is easy and as quick as anything else.

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