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Cubase 5 remains in process-tree after shutdown?

Hey everybody!

Sometimes when my Cubase 5 locks-up and I have to force-quit it, it remains in the process-tree, taking up valuable space in my working-memory. If the cubase-project uses 1500mb of my RAM, it still uses as much when Cubase has been closed. And the only way for me to remove it from the tree after wards is to restart the computer. My Cubase is fairly stable, so this doesn't happen too often, but when it does it's really frustrating. So, is there a simpler way to remove the Cubase-instance in the process-tree apart from pressing the "Close Process" -button (in the ctrl+alt+delete Process-Manager) which doesn't work and restarting the computer? (I run Windows XP)

Oh btw, my software is legit and I have the latest updates. If the problem remains I'll just contact the Steinberg support. But I thought someone here might have some suggestions first!


Thanks in advance!

/Dave

Nice to know that even 5 is a piece of crap. Just Ctrl+alt+del it and end the process.

Thanks for your reply. But that's exactly my problem, that it's doesn't work.

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Originally posted by [Alpha]Dave Thanks for your reply. But that's exactly my problem, that it's doesn't work.

When you click on End Process, does the "End Now" dialog come up?

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Originally posted by alanzo When you click on End Process, does the "End Now" dialog come up?

Yes, but when I click it, Cubase remains in the list. :\ That's what really bugs me.

Does it close eventually or does it just sit there after (say) 5 minutes? It could be that it's 'closing' and giving away memory to the system.

Try downloading this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...s/bb896653.aspx and try terminating it through it, or if that doesn't work: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...s/bb896683.aspx

Give this a try.

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Originally posted by vikernes Does it close eventually or does it just sit there after (say) 5 minutes? It could be that it's 'closing' and giving away memory to the system. Try downloading this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...s/bb896653.aspx and try terminating it through it, or if that doesn't work: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/...s/bb896683.aspx Give this a try.

Thanks for the great tips mate!! I will try them out the next time the problem occurs! Regarding if it disappears after several minutes (say 5+ minutes), I don't know actually since I most often restart the computer almost right after, so I haven't really checked. Thanks again!!

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Originally posted by [Alpha]Dave Thanks for the great tips mate!! I will try them out the next time the problem occurs! Regarding if it disappears after several minutes (say 5+ minutes), I don't know actually since I most often restart the computer almost right after, so I haven't really checked. Thanks again!!

It may just take some time. When Cubase craps out on me I normally have to wait a couple minutes for everything to clear out.

I had the same thing happen to me in Live 7.0.16 with Windows XP.

I had the same in Cubase Studio 4. It does go away after a few minutes but if you try and enter another music program like Live for example, errors come up and you have to re-open the program and re-assign soundcard settings. A pain...

Hrm, never had these problems with fl *wink wink*

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Hrm, never had these problems with fl *wink wink*

That's almost relevant.

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Originally posted by alanzo It may just take some time. When Cubase craps out on me I normally have to wait a couple minutes for everything to clear out.

Same here. Though it doesn't take a lot of time. almost always <1 min, but I guess that depends on your system and the size of your project and stuff.

I have a similar problem with Cubase 5 (on 32-bit Vista Ultimate), but it only seems to occur when I start getting a higher track count in a project. If I have 10 or more soft synths and a 5-10 audio tracks, C5 won't close properly - most of the time, it hangs for a few minutes after I try to close it, then the "Cubase has stopped working" message appears. When it finally does shut down, my computer drags for a few minutes or until I reboot. That may be the same problem the OP is having. Also, anything beyond a handful of basic tracks in a project will make exporting problematic (crashes, freezes) - the last project took a dozen or so attempts and over an hour before I finally got it exported.

I'm back on Sonar full-time and figured I'd address the Cubase issue if/when I ever have a need to use it again.

Man, for such a great program...a program that "defined" electronic music, as some assholes here would have us believe. It sure has a lot of problems.

The line between popularity based on functionality and popularity based on hype, is starting to fade.

It seems Cubase 5 is no different than 4 or 3. [And people wonder why its not in scene yet...here is your answer]

Cubase isn't hyped. Now pro tools, that's hyped. Even Logic is more hyped. At the audio school I went to a pretty big name engineer (Kool Keith, Raz Kaz, George Clinton (P-Funk), The Cure, Bootsy Collins, Killah Priest, Cannabis, Sunshine Anderson, Kurupt, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson, Don Henley, Mark Latham, Guitar Jack, Mike City, Billy Gibbons, Billy Preston) told me he wish he could be teaching us cubase instead of pro tools, and that's what he uses. But because pro tools and logic are the industry standard that's what they teach.

Does SX 3 ever have this problem? I've never noticed. It's only happend to me with video games before.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Cubase isn't hyped. Now pro tools, that's hyped. Even Logic is more hyped. At the audio school I went to a pretty big name engineer (Kool Keith, Raz Kaz, George Clinton (P-Funk), The Cure, Bootsy Collins, Killah Priest, Cannabis, Sunshine Anderson, Kurupt, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson, Don Henley, Mark Latham, Guitar Jack, Mike City, Billy Gibbons, Billy Preston) told me he wish he could be teaching us cubase instead of pro tools, and that's what he uses. But because pro tools and logic are the industry standard that's what they teach. Does SX 3 ever have this problem? I've never noticed. It's only happend to me with video games before.

I don't want to start another DAW war or anything (I use Cubase), but Cubase above SX 3 is overhyped. SX 3 was great at the time it was released. 4 and 5 are just relatively minor updates. I think it was more of a marketing move to push out VST3 than anything else really. I don't think Logic is overhyped, it has a lot of useful/professional effects and synths bundled. When have you heard a producer using stock Cubase fx/vsti?

I do agree with you about Pro Tools.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Does SX 3 ever have this problem? I've never noticed. It's only happend to me with video games before.

It happens to me sometimes, but it disappears quickly (max 30 sec).

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 It seems Cubase 5 is no different than 4 or 3. [And people wonder why its not in scene yet...here is your answer]

Just look at the main 'new' features of 5. Almost everything has been done long before 5 arrived.

If you have any M-Audio devices, try powering them off or disconnecting them from the computer and then ending the process in Task Manager.

This is actually most likely to be a buggy device driver (or the device itself), and not a bug in Cubase. In order for a process to become unkillable ("zombied" is the technical term), there generally needs to be a Bad Thing happening in kernel mode. See here. (Warning: Nerd content)

There's not really much you can do about this; if you have a misbehaving driver, you should consider yourself lucky that you didn't get a blue screen instead. As No Left Turn suggested, the offending driver is likely to be your audio driver when using Cubase, so try resetting the audio device if you can, it might give the driver a metaphorical kick in the ass.

Also, if Cubase 5 is still using that SyncroSoft trash or something similar with a hardware dongle, that could actually be the misbehaving driver as well. Try unplugging and re-inserting the dongle.

I believe that this doesn't happen anymore in Vista; the whole driver system has been rewritten.

Try using the pskill utility from a command line. You can download it free. Just Google it and you'll find a pack of admin tools that includes pskill among other useful utilities.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 It seems Cubase 5 is no different than 4 or 3.

That's because you're ignorant

I know this is a bit late now..

But thank you every one for the lovely answers!!

As some of you suspected, Cubase remains in the process-tree for just a few minutes and then dissapears! After that, it works fine again and starts up without a problem. So you were right, Thanks!

Oh, and that "Process Explorer" program someone tipped about, it's great!


And yes, there is a huge difference between all of the cubase-versions. For every version it just gets better and better. Cubase 5 is awesome.

Cubase has always done this. Even SX3 had a habit of staying in the task manager after you exit it.

Interesting to see this has never been fixed. It seems to be a Windows only sort of... abnormality, I've never had C4 hang in the activity monitor in OS X.

It will eventually end. You just have to wait a bit. Not sure why it does this in Windows, but it's just something you get used to.

BTW. How are you liking C5? Worth the 199 upgrade cost (I'm a C4 user)?

---Adam

Actually, this problem has never happened to me in any previous cubase version. I've been using it since Cubase SX 1. Well, regarding if it's wort upgrading. I actually went from SX 3 to Cubase 5 directly, so I don't know all the differences between 4 and 5. But I really love Cubase 5. The new plugins is really a treat! Since I went from SX 3, I really love all the new features. There are some great new effects and vsti's in 5. You should have a look at the differences between the versions and decide from that. But yeah, I think you would be better of upgrading!

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Man, for such a great program...a program that "defined" electronic music, as some assholes here would have us believe. It sure has a lot of problems. The line between popularity based on functionality and popularity based on hype, is starting to fade. It seems Cubase 5 is no different than 4 or 3. [And people wonder why its not in scene yet...here is your answer]

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