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Easy people, sorry if these seems like spam, it's not really meant to be!

Just wanted to make you all aware of my new mastering studio as it seems like people here are interested in hearing how their stuff sounds mastered etc.

I am doing a track free, so if you have a bunch of tracks you need mastering I can do one as a demo, no strings attached and send it back for you to lend a critical ear to.

And if you just are interested anyway, feel free to send it over!


HOW TO SEND YOUR TUNE: http://www.subsequentmastering.com info is on here!

queries? Don't pm me on here, please email subsequentstudio at hotmail.com

thanks people!

so basically this is an introductory offer ?, have you any samples to show us your previous work? Although i would like to hear one of my tracks mastered.

Hi Adi

I don't have examples as I don't believe that is any indication of the quality of the master, anyone can wack a limiter on a beautiful recording!

The deal is designed to me a way to hear YOUR track mastered, no strings attached so you can go on and make an informed decision. Make sense?

Congrats with the new studio, I see you work fully in the box?
KRK for monitoring, what do you use for DA?

Nice promotion and a good opportunity for people to get to know your work.

Enjoy the wonderful world of mastering

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Originally posted by subsequent Hi Adi I don't have examples as I don't believe that is any indication of the quality of the master, anyone can wack a limiter on a beautiful recording!

Not to sound harsh or like I'm bashing you, but that just doesn't make much sense, from an artist's viewpoint or from an audio engineer's viewpoint. First off, nobody mentioned anything about "wacking a limiter" on anything - the quality of a properly mastered track can be objectively assessed on its own merit because a properly mastered track should transfer well to any reasonable system. And the quality of your work can be even more effectively judged by offering before/after snippets (as most quality mastering houses do). Furthermore, there is nothing on your website (that I could see, at least) regarding your credentials, experience, etc. So, to me, the irony of this is that the whole thing smacks of a guy with a computer who is no different than the other fly-by-night mastering services that do little more than "wack a limiter" on a track and call it good.

In other words, the impression I get from this thread and your website is "I want to try mastering so I can make some money, so send me your tracks to practice on, and if you like it, then I'll charge you next time." That may or may not be what you're doing here, but that's my perception based on the lack of credentials and examples. If that's not the case, then you should at least realize that that's the impression you're going to leave with some people.

Believe me, this is just my impression of it and I'm actually telling you this to be helpful. You really should give people reasons to want to send their tracks to you without fear of wasting our time, potentially dealing with a scammer, etc. This notion of "send me your tracks and have blind faith in me because it's a free service" doesn't cut it with a lot of people. HTH.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Not to sound harsh or like I'm bashing you, but that just doesn't make much sense, from an artist's viewpoint or from an audio engineer's viewpoint. First off, nobody mentioned anything about "wacking a limiter" on anything - the quality of a properly mastered track can be subjectively assessed on its own merit because a properly mastered track should transfer well to any reasonable system. And the quality of your work can be even more effectively judged by offering before/after snippets (as most quality mastering houses do). Furthermore, there is nothing on your website (that I could see, at least) regarding your credentials, experience, etc. So, to me, the irony of this is that the whole thing smacks of a guy with a computer who is no different than the other fly-by-night mastering services that do little more than "wack a limiter" on a track and call it good. Believe me, this is just my impression of it and I'm actually telling you this to be helpful. You really should give people reasons to want to send their tracks to you without fear of wasting our time, potentially dealing with a scammer, etc. This notion of "send me your tracks and have blind faith in me because it's a free service" doesn't cut it with a lot of people. HTH.

what he said ^^

Also to add a few points. I think your pricing is the opposite of what it should be. The first few tracks should be less money to prove your skills, and when you see the same customers keep coming back, then you should be charging more. How do we know it's not a scam of taking $20 from 50 people in a day and hide. That's a $1000 right there, within a day.

You mentioned that your studio isn't so professional 'yet'. In that case, you should also lessen the fee to either free or one dollar as of 'yet', before people can take a trust in you.

Having 'googled images' of plugins, and a 'nightvision' pic of your studio with what looks like a laptop, doesn't sell me anything.

It's either a scam, or you are an 'opportunist'.

Why do I have a feeling the guy is just gonna run a standard oxford mastering chain in his favorite DAW, tweak it up a bit to an industry standard compressed as hell level (pun intended), limit it up to -0.1db and get 20 quid for 5 minutes of work?

Hell, with a proper mixdown provided, I can make anyone a helluva software master for a 6pack, it's just the 5% of sound timbre analogue gear provides that defines its character and that's a dealbreaker for me. It'll sound a bit sheep-ish, but I don't see the API 2500 mentioned anywhere... You'll know what I'm talking about.

Well, at least he has some good plugins to do it with, not some kid with T-Racks and 1 minute of time

But still, nothing to bloat about.

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Originally posted by Tarpex It'll sound a bit sheep-ish, but I don't see the API 2500 mentioned anywhere... You'll know what I'm talking about.

or the waves SSL compressor...

Jesus christ people. WTF is wrong with you. The guy clearly said _no strings_ attached. He's offering to master your tracks for free and you still bitch? Like, what does he need to do to please you?
He's obviously trying to make a name for himself by doing this, maybe he can do a better job than your professionally (paid for) masters. You don't know until you try.

So just send one of your tracks that you got professionally (paid for) mastered and then compare it to his job. What are you afraid of/bitching about tbh?

The only reason their all complaining is because they all had the same idea themself but never followed through, so seeing the motivation in someone else must bother them.

I cant conclude anything else, the guy obviously isn't pro, never sold himself as a pro, yet everyone is treating him like he did..w/e

edit: and Id just like to say i dont think cryo was really harsh at all, he was very careful about how he said it because it mattered for him to not come off a certain way.
But he did open the door for people who it didnt matter for =]

Re: Free Mastering offer!

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Originally posted by subsequent Easy people, sorry if these seems like spam, it's not really meant to be! Just wanted to make you all aware of my new mastering studio as it seems like people here are interested in hearing how their stuff sounds mastered etc. I am doing a track free, so if you have a bunch of tracks you need mastering I can do one as a demo, no strings attached and send it back for you to lend a critical ear to. And if you just are interested anyway, feel free to send it over! HOW TO SEND YOUR TUNE: http://www.subsequentmastering.com info is on here! queries? Don't pm me on here, please email subsequentstudio at hotmail.com thanks people!

Given that theres been a few threads asking for mastering studios I think you were well justified in posting this here. Sorry for the hostile response, there's been massive debates about mastering for ages here, its pretty controversial.

Maybe the best thing is if you post some before/after snippets in a single audio file so that everyone can here if its worth the trouble of sending you one of their tracks.

Your deal sounds pretty good though, good luck with it

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Originally posted by cryophonik The quality of your work can be even more effectively judged by offering before/after snippets. The impression I get from this thread and your website is "I want to try mastering so I can make some money, so send me your tracks to practice on, and if you like it, then I'll charge you next time."

It's tough, showing the quality of the mastering process - do you only use tracks which needed a lot done to them, where the before/after is really noticeable, but the end result isn't really optimal? Or do you go with fantastic sounding mixes which only needed very slight processing to sound brilliant - in which case, people will think "I can't hear much difference, why would I pay for that?"

With regards to your second point, yes, that's a fair comment. I think a number of us who have been producing for a while, paying attention to the small details and such, would be able to do a reasonable mastering job for other people (though a mixdown would almost certainly produce much better results than mastering). I think it's fair enough - he's offering to master a song for free, after which people can see for themselves what the process can offer them.

There is nothing "wrong" with working purely ITB, I work with an outboard chain because of the distinct sound plugins can't provide.

But for mastering 3 things are really important:
1. Skills of the engineer
2. quality of room
3. quality of monitoring / DA

Give an API 2500 to a monkey and he still will ruin your track.
use a subwoofer in a non tuned room and you will loose too much energy in your lows. etc. etc.

Everybody needs to build credentials and was new to the game once. I would say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. However I could not provide a forumwide 1 free promo.
Time is money. No cure no pay (via snippet) secures your and my investment and translates quality into rewards.

Not so sure I agree with jumping his case either. He is giving people a "demo" and, if they like it, they can buy into his service.

It's really that simple.

The "before and after" snippet stuff is a sham. Anybody can take a piece of audio, make it sound like shit, and then make it sound much better than shit.

I like the fact that he is offering people to remix THEIR music they send to him. That is the only way to truly test his (or anybodies) skills.

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Originally posted by vikernes Jesus christ people. WTF is wrong with you. The guy clearly said _no strings_ attached. He's offering to master your tracks for free and you still bitch? Like, what does he need to do to please you? He's obviously trying to make a name for himself by doing this, maybe he can do a better job than your professionally (paid for) masters. You don't know until you try. So just send one of your tracks that you got professionally (paid for) mastered and then compare it to his job. What are you afraid of/bitching about tbh?

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Originally posted by Stephen Wiley The "before and after" snippet stuff is a sham. Anybody can take a piece of audio, make it sound like shit, and then make it sound much better than shit.

Just because some companies can cheat and lie means that honest and legitimate companies should just stop trying to show the quality of their product for fear that their potential client base wouldn't believe them? Would Olympik Records not show off their signed artists and stop providing free previews of their tracks on your myspace for fear that we might assume that the artists didn't actually produce those songs? Of course not. In audio mastering, you put yourself at an advantage by displaying quality work.

Look, sorry I offended so many of you with my comments, but the OP needs to realize that, free sample or not, mastering is a competitive market and he should be open to constructive criticism. Because if he can't handle the kind of criticism I offered to try to help him, how well is he going to handle the real complaints from his paying clients (and, yes, there will be complaints)?

Personally, I do my own mastering or rely on the label to handle it, so I have no dog in this fight anyway. I think it's great that he's offering a free demo and I didn't bitch/complain that one bit. But, I still think that it's in his best interest to display his talent by offering some audio samples and telling the world what his credentials are. Carry on.

Wow, this thread turned into a shitstorm out of nowhere!

I don't need to justify any of my tactics here, so I won't.

I don't think I could have made the deal anymore open and friendly.

How about you send a track, check the micro and macro dynamics, the tonal balance, the overall colour/tone/whatever it's called this week of the mix and the stereo imagine balance.

THEN tell me if it's a service worth paying for, and if not, don't use it.

Shame, this is the only forum my simple friendly offer has gone down so badly..

I think it's also worth noting that I have been mastering pretty much everyday in my studio (which isn't a bedroom its and acoustically design unit in a big industrial unit) for the last 3 months or so, and have been mastering at my home studio for friends and associates for a long time before that.

I make money off mastering as it is, I just wanted to expand into genres of music I don't usually get, like Trance, hence the post/offer.

Joe

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Originally posted by cryophonik Just because some companies can cheat and lie means that honest and legitimate companies should just stop trying to show the quality of their product for fear that their potential client base wouldn't believe them? Would Olympik Records not show off their signed artists and stop providing free previews of their tracks on your myspace for fear that we might assume that the artists didn't actually produce those songs? Of course not. In audio mastering, you put yourself at an advantage by displaying quality work.

You did not offend me. You've been doing this a lot longer than probably anybody here, and you can probably spot a phony much better than any of us, and you made no secret that was your inclination. That is your opinion which is fine, I just have a different one. If the guy is offering a free track mastered, and you like it and ask for more, then its business. There is NOTHING better than having a free master done except maybe 10 free masters done.

As far as the clips go, you are misconstruing what I said. I suppose sham wasn't the best adjective, but the point was there is no better way to evaluate (in my opinion) the skill of an audio engineer than actually having work done (free or paid) - The guy offers to deliver things face to face on his website, which leads me to believe he's running an honest business. Maybe he sucks, maybe he doesn't.

And finally, I do want to say that having somebody do a free track is not a full proof method. He could, if he was a snake, outsource it to a real engineer for a cheap price if he knew you were interested in getting a full album done.

Lots of assumptions here and I think everybody, on both sides of the fence, (me included) are making too many assumptions about someone who disagrees with them.

I think Raphie put it best.

The proof is in the pudding when you eat it. (Again, it's still not a 100% full proof evaluation unless you watched him make it too!)

I'm pretty sure I am not going to take your track and pay for someone else to master it...

thanks to the people who have emailed me, getting on these early next week!

Give the lad a break

http://www.subsequentmastering.com

We're up and running now, just bumping this one up and saying thanks to all the Tranceaddicts who got involved in the making of the studio!

out to you!

new prices and info on the site

thanks

Joe

you still doing the free master track offer? ive 4 new tracks that will need to be mastered and my ears be absolutely busted after producing so i tend to leave the mastering to others

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