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some major sh1t going on in Honduras
anyone know more about this? i heard a coup d'etat just happened
For once I can say - there was no coup. The military did the right thing. The president Zelaya wanted the general to organize a referendum (not approved by the Congress/Supreme Court/etc) to change the constitution so that he can run for another term. The general refused to break the law. So the president fired the general. So Zelaya was going to find someone else in the military to force a referendum to change the constitution, a move rejected by not only the Supreme Court but the Congress as well. The military did the right thing and removed the retard before the country descended into chaos. And they didnt kill him or torture him, they just peacefully sent him to Costa Rica. There was no foreign involvement in this. Well, I suppose Chavez wanted his henchman to remain in power, well too bad!
Bravo, Honduras, bravo. The world is looking at you, with inspiration and awe. Its very rare when a country deposes a corrupt leader in a proper way. I'm impressed.
I know some countries are already calling it a coup, criticizing the chain of events, calling for "order" (
), but so far I dont see anything wrong. A rule of law, following the Constitution - thats how it should be. And if the leader tries to go and override the law, Congress and Supreme Court, in any country in the world, police needs to remove such an idiot from power before any harm is done to the country.
Here's a comprehensive article on this. Considering that Honduras is a very poor country, I am surprised they've handled this well. Note the areas in bold - anything wrong with deposing the corrupt leader? I dont think so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8123126.stm
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Honduran leader forced into exile
Troops in Honduras have ousted the president and flown him out of the country after a power struggle over plans to change the constitution.
After arriving in Costa Rica, deposed President Manuel Zelaya said he had been kidnapped by soldiers in a "coup".
Mr Zelaya, elected for a non-renewable four-year term in 2006, had wanted a vote to extend his time in office.
His arrest came just before the start of a referendum ruled illegal by the Supreme Court and opposed by Congress.
There had also been resistance within Mr Zelaya's own party to the plan for the vote.
'Arrested in pyjamas'
Congress swiftly appointed its speaker Roberto Micheletti - a member of Mr Zelaya's Liberal Party, but an opponent of him - as acting head of state.
The day's drama began at dawn on Sunday when soldiers stormed the president's residence in the capital, Tegucigalpa, an hour before polls were to open.
Honduran President Manuel Zelaya in Costa Rica on Sunday 28 June 2009
Mr Zelaya was taken to an airbase outside the city and rumours swirled over his whereabouts.
The BBC's Stephen Gibbs, in the region, says armoured vehicles were on the streets and troops fired tear gas to disperse the president's supporters outside his home.
Several hours later Mr Zelaya turned up in Costa Rica and said troops had "kidnapped" him in his pyjamas.
He insisted he was still the rightful president and urged Hondurans to resist those who had removed him.
"This was a plot by a very voracious elite, an elite which wants only to keep this country isolated, in an extreme level of poverty," he said.
Later the Honduran Supreme Court said it had ordered the removal of the president, who had been due to leave office next January.
Then Congress produced what it said was Mr Zelaya's letter of resignation, which it voted to accept. The ousted president dismissed the letter as a fake.
There was international condemnation of events in Honduras:
Took office in Jan 2006; beat ruling National Party candidate
Has moved Honduras away from its traditional ally the US
Enjoys the support of Venezuela's leftist President, Hugo Chavez
A civil engineer and rancher by profession
� At an emergency meeting in Washington, the Organization of American States said it was a "coup"
� Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, blamed "the Yankee empire", and threatened military action should the Venezuelan ambassador to Honduras be attacked; President Evo Morales of Bolivia described Mr Zelaya's removal as "an assault on democracy"
� The White House denied any involvement; President Barack Obama urged Honduras to "respect the rule of law" and a State Department official said America recognised Mr Zelaya as the duly elected president
� The European Union called for "a swift return to constitutional normality" in Honduras
The military's dramatic move came after President Zelaya sacked the chief of the army, Gen Romeo Vasquez, on Wednesday for refusing to help him organise the referendum.
A day later, the Honduran Congress approved plans to investigate whether the president should be declared unfit to rule.
In an interview with Spain's El Pais newspaper published on Sunday, Mr Zelaya said a plot to topple him had been thwarted after the US refused to back it.
The Central American country - an impoverished coffee and banana-exporting nation of more than 7 million people - has experienced military coups in the past.
Soldiers overthrew elected presidents in 1963 and again in 1975; the military did not turn the government over to civilians until 1981.
I am deeply annoyed by the world condemnation of the "coup". People are fucking retarded. Hypocrites, ingorant fools. Zelaya was the one who was breaking the rule of law, not the people who ousted him (according to the instructions by their Congress).
Oh wait ... I know why the world is criticizing Honduras. Because there are so many corrupt leaders around the world, they feel threatened by this bold move, and fear that the same could happen to them if they go against the Constitution and the rule of law. Those people, obviously, dont want this "coup" to succeed.
Read more:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8123513.stm
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A new president has been sworn into office in Honduras, hours after the ousting of President Manuel Zelaya.
Congress speaker Roberto Micheletti will serve as interim president until polls are held, Congress said.
The removal of Mr Zelaya by the army came amid a power struggle over his plans for constitutional change.
The swearing in of Roberto Micheletti - constitutionally second in line for the presidency - was greeted with applause in Congress.
Congress said he would serve until 27 January, when Mr Zelaya's term was due to expire. Presidential elections are planned for 29 November.
Both Congress and the courts had opposed Mr Zelaya's referendum, which asked Hondurans to endorse a vote on unspecified constitutional changes alongside the November elections.
Tensions over the issue had been escalating for several days, with the army refusing to help with preparations for the referendum.
But Congress said it had voted to remove him because of his "repeated violations of the constitution and the law and disregard of orders and judgments of the institutions".
In Tegucigalpa, groups of Zelaya supporters were setting up roadblocks around the presidential palace, Reuters said.
homeboy tried to pull a Chavez
I thought that when people want to bring a corrupt leader to justice, they bring him to court and start a legal process, not barge into his home in the middle of the night and force the guy (still in his pajamas) into some helicopter, but of course I could be wrong.
Oh, and if the guy's a despot, then why does Obama express hope that he'll be back in power?
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| Originally posted by HardTranceProd I thought that when people want to bring a corrupt leader to justice, they bring him to court and start a legal process, not barge into his home in the middle of the night and force the guy (still in his pajamas) into some helicopter, but of course I could be wrong |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo homeboy tried to pull a Chavez |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Indeed, thats probably more appropriate ... I guess the military and the constitutional forces were afraid that he may come back to power and take revenge or something. |
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium I am deeply annoyed by the world condemnation of the "coup". People are fucking retarded. Hypocrites, ingorant fools. Zelaya was the one who was breaking the rule of law, not the people who ousted him (according to the instructions by their Congress). |
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| Reaction to the apparent coup was swift. U.S. President Barack Obama said he was �deeply concerned� and called on all political actors in Honduras to �respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference,� he said. The Obama administration worked in recent days to prevent President Zelaya�s ouster, a senior U.S. official said. The State Department, in particular, communicated to Honduran officials on the ground that President Obama wouldn�t support any non-democratic transfer of power in the Central American country. �We had some indication� that a move against Mr. Zelaya was a foot, said a U.S. official briefed on the diplomacy. �We made it clear it was something we didn�t support.� Secretary of State Hillary Clinton joined Mr. Obama Sunday in criticizing the Honduran coup and calling for the restoration of the democratic process. �We call on all parties in Honduras to respect the constitutional order and the rule of law, to reaffirm their democratic vocation, and to commit themselves to resolve political disputes peacefully and through dialogue,� Mrs. Clinton said in a statement. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss +1... which makes it even more disturbing that the Obama administration was siding with Zelaya and trying to prevent his ouster! (Don't mettle in Iran, but get involved in Honduras immediately... got it). http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124619401378065339.html 1 of 2 things comes to mind here... either Obama and Hillary didn't actually understand the "rule of law" in the Honduras government and made another sweet foreign policy move, or they know Zelaya is a Chavez puppet and want to stay in good relations with ole Hugo. I'm patiently waiting for those who steadfastly stood behind Obama's strategy not to mettle in Iran to denounce the administrations swift interjection on this one. |
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| Originally posted by jerZ07002 i'm with you here. what would we do if president bush stayed in the white house after obama was elected in office: arrest the mofo. Because it was the military and not the police is of no consequence to me. |
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| Further, the military was acting under the orders of the Honduran Supreme Court although they apparently exceeded their authority by whisking him away to Venezuela. And finally, it was Zelaya�s actions in violating the constitution, ignoring a ruling by the Supreme Court that any referendum be put on would be illegal, and the universal belief in Congress, the military, and much of the populace that eventually, he would little more than a stand in for Chavez if he was allowed to carry out his illegal referendum that sealed Zelaya�s fate. And yet our president, acting contrary to American interests, chose the route of least resistance and condemned what many Hondurans believe was a restoration of constitutional order. The president will find himself in familiar territory with this condemnation - Castro, Ortega, and other Latin American leftist thugs also condemned the coup. Maybe someone could look it up but when was the last time we were on the same side with Cuba on any international issue? Way to go Barry. Like, we should listen to the Castros when they complain about democratic procedure not being followed? In fact, after swearing off �interferring� in Iran where demonstrators were getting shot, beaten, and axed to death, our clueless Chief Hypocrite worked frantically behind the scenes to save Honduran President Zelaya�s job, thus [interfering] on the wrong side while making himself out a liar on Iran. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Where is the outrage over this? Obama is publicly siding with what Chavez, Ortega, and Castro are demanding... all countries with anti-American sentiment, and knowingly going aginst the country's own constitution! And he's not getting called out on it! WTF. Say it out loud to get a sense of how fucking unbelievable it is: "Obama is supporting anti-American interests and calling for the rule of law to be implemented by rejecting Honduras' constitutional RULE OF LAW." |
Indeed. WTF is with Obama and Hillary. I thought Obama was smarter than this.
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Indeed. WTF is with Obama and Hillary. I thought Obama was smarter than this. |
Oh, so now we know why Obama opposes this chain of events in Honduras.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125292.stm
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Speaking after a meeting with Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, Mr Obama said Mr Zelaya remained the democratically-elected leader of Honduras.
And he said a "terrible precedent" would be set if the coup were not reversed.
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Obama the dictator and appeaser of the authoritarian regimes.
Oh, Chavez went a step further and threatened to bring down the new regime.
I was pretty shocked with how our government feels about the coup... Don't understand how 'talking it out' will always solve the problem
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| Originally posted by Magnetonium Oh, so now we know why Obama opposes this chain of events in Honduras. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125292.stm Obama the dictator and appeaser of the authoritarian regimes. Oh, Chavez went a step further and threatened to bring down the new regime. |
It gets worse. This is absolutely appalling. The world is going downhill, I'm telling you. Appratently it is legal to abuse power, disregard the Constitution and the institutions of the government. And doing anything about it, to remove that leader, is wrong. 
Fuck! This world is dumb! 
What's next - UN and USA / regional countries placing embargo on Honduras?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8127503.stm
UN backs Honduras leader's return
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The United Nations General Assembly has approved a resolution calling for the reinstatement of ousted Honduran President Manuel Zelaya.
Mr Zelaya's expulsion by the army on Sunday has been criticised in Europe, Washington and Latin America as a coup.
He says he will return to Honduras on Thursday, accompanied by the head of the Organization of American States.
Mr Zelaya, who also addressed the UN, thanked the assembly for what he called its "historic" resolution.
He also pledged not to seek another term in office once he has returned to Honduras, and said he would not accept a second term if he was asked to serve again.
The resolution calls "firmly and categorically on all states to recognise no government other than that" of Mr Zelaya.
It was co-sponsored by a group of Latin American and Caribbean nations and was supported by the United States.
We have the warrants ready so that he stays in jail in Honduras and is judged according to the country's laws
Enrique Ortez
Caretaker foreign minister
In Tegucigalpa, the Honduran capital, newly-installed President Roberto Micheletti defended the ousting of Mr Zelaya, whom he accused of a "Chavismo" style of socialism based on that of Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez.
In an interview with Reuters news agency he said Honduras was "more of a democracy today than it was three days ago".
And Enrique Ortez, Honduras' new foreign minister, said Mr Zelaya faced immediate arrest if he returned, on charges of violating the country's constitution as well as links to drug trafficking and organised crime.
"As soon as he enters he will be captured. We have the warrants ready so that he stays in jail in Honduras and is judged according to the country's laws," Mr Ortez told CNN's Spanish-language service.
Media curbs
Mr Zelaya, 57, was ousted amid stiff opposition to his plans to amend the constitution from the courts, military, Congress and even some members of his own party.
He had wanted to hold a non-binding referendum on the proposal, which critics say could have paved the way for Mr Zelaya - elected in 2006 and restricted to only one term - to run for re-election.
HONDURAS: KEY FACTS
Population: 7.2 million
One of poorest countries in Latin America
GNI per capita: US$1,600
Main exports: Coffee, bananas
Polls had been due to open on Sunday, but instead troops stormed the presidential palace at dawn, bundled the president to an airbase and flew him to Costa Rica.
The BBC's Stephen Gibbs, in the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa, says Mr Zelaya, whose popularity in Honduras had been plummeting in recent months, has garnered impressive support since his exile.
Our correspondent notes that even US President Barack Obama and his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez have found themselves in rare agreement over the issue - with both declaring that his expulsion was illegal.
A number of countries in the region have withdrawn ambassadors from Honduras.
Spain, the former colonial ruler of Honduras, has called on other EU countries to withdraw their ambassadors - Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said member states had "not ruled out" the option.
Meanwhile, World Bank president Robert Zoellick said the institution had "put a pause" on its lending to Honduras.
Mr Zoellick said the bank was "working closely with the OAS and looking to the OAS to deal with its handling of the crisis under its democratic charter".
The authorities in Honduras have been restricting broadcasts by media outlets perceived to be pro-Zelaya and protesters have been taunting soldiers, our correspondent adds.
For those of you that don't know, mr Manuel is currently on his way baxk and is attempting to openly land at the capital's main airport, with other latin american leaders flying in another plane alongside him to monitor what is going on. Thousands of his supporters are already awaiting his arrival, and the first bullet has apparantly already been fired by the military.
This might very well end in an execution.
So many double standards in this case, just hard to belive it all. Its now obvious that the world community is meddling in Honduras national affairs - you don't see them try to do the same to the countless other countries where leaders get overthrown in many worse and totally illegal ways. I think it has to do with the fact that Honduras did it properly, and it pisses them off that it may set a precedent.
Oh, shit. So United States is actively involved in putting the asshole back to power. I guess Zelaya was briefed very appropriately by American intelligence and politicians. This is so fucking pathetic:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8135358.stm
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Mr Zelaya, who was removed from power just over a week ago, left Washington at 1900 GMT and was due to reach the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa, about four hours later.
Now this retarded chain of events have resulted in the first death, growing instability, and regional tension (Nicaragua is massing its troops to the border with Honduras). I hate this world.
The Pres joining with Chavez in re-installing this puppet speaks volumes about what the Pres thinks about the legal removal of a leader who has overstayed his welcome. Frightening times indeed.
"It accuses Zelaya, who ran afoul of his political base and ruling elites in the conservative country by allying himself with Venezuela's firebrand leftist President Hugo Chavez, of contravening the constitution and seeking to illegally extend his rule."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090712/ts_nm/us_honduras;_ylt=AquPKXevL.Mvy1sv.0zLZ590fNdF
What a bunch of BS from the UN, Hilary and Obama siding with the communists, Castro, and Chavez.
What kind of natural resources exist in Honduras? Are any US companies currently coveting said resources? Im not in a position to research at the moment but if anyone knows I'm sure that could help explain why "we're" backing Zelaya's return.
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| The coup in Honduras against elected President Manuel Zelaya has made it clearer than ever that rich-country corporate media and their regional media partners deliberately misinform. Limited coverage of what has been happening in Honduras has appeared in English, mostly relating to events around the coup on June 28 with scrappy bits and pieces of context. Adequate context and accurate-as-possible up-to-date information are necessary to get a good idea of what the coup in Honduras means. Corporate plunder The defining factor in the history of Honduras through the 20th century was its decisive subordination to the economic and political interests of the United States. Sam Zemurray of the Cuyamel Fruit Company famously declared it was cheaper to buy a parliamentary deputy in Honduras than a mule. That venality and corruption in the Honduran political system facilitated the domination of US corporate and strategic interests. The current coup d�etat offers a grim reprise of this history. As in the rest of Central America, the natural resources of Honduras � its land, its metals, its timber � were plundered ruthlessly by US companies together with their local Honduran allies in the country�s landowning and business oligarchy. Just prior to the 1954 CIA-organised coup against the reformist government of Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala, a mass strike in Honduras mobilised industrial and rural workers throughout the country to demand better terms and conditions of employment. The strike was successful and lead to significant advances in social legislation, especially labour legislation. Women got the right to vote in 1955. Those advances eventually provoked consternation among the country�s oligarchy and armed forces. In 1963, the army led a coup against the centrist President Ramon Villeda Morales, accusing him of leading the country into communism. The resulting government was recognised by US president Lyndon Johnson. From that coup through the 1960s and �70s, Honduras took its lead on every important regional issue in accordance with the exigencies of the US government's regional policy. In the 1980s, under US direction, Honduras was run as a police state. Hundreds of people suffered forced disappearance. Torture was routine. Forced recruitment by the army was habitual. Honduras became a base for the corrupt narcotics-linked counter-revolutionary terror war in the 1980s against Nicaragua's left-wing Sandinista government. For the decade after the 1990 electoral defeat of the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, Honduran politics tended to turn around issues of poverty reduction, economic progress and social problems � especially crime. The government of the relatively progressive Carlos Roberto Reina enabled a re-examination of the period of the 1980s dirty war. But neither under Reina, nor under the subsequent governments of Carlos Flores Facusse or Ricardo Maduro, did government policy seriously address the country�s deep social and economic problems. Zelaya served in the governments of both Reina and Flores Facusse. He has a solid understanding of the deep structural problems that keep most of the country�s population in poverty. Zelaya government Zelaya took office in January 2006. Immediately, and surprisingly, he managed to push the law of citizens� participation through the right-wing Congress . From the start, he regarded efforts towards active consultation and participation of ordinary Hondurans in the decisions that affected their lives as a fundamental tool necessary to implement his program. As regards poverty reduction, he and his colleagues became increasingly frustrated at the lack of support in terms of resources from the international structures of aid and development. When Zelaya sought cooperation from the rich countries, their response was either tepid or negative. Zelaya asked former US president George Bush for help with energy problems, but Bush offered him nothing. During 2006 and �07, he found himself taking on foreign oil companies and their local allies who operated unfair practices distorting fuel prices in Honduras. That long drawn-out episode led to sharp exchanges with the US ambassador � a sign of awkward relations that have cooled progressively ever since. Also in 2007, Zelaya�s government opened up diplomatic relations with Cuba for the first time in more than 40 years. Zelaya�s efforts to lower fuel prices eventually led Honduras to join the Venezuelan and Cuban-inspired energy security initiative, Petrocaribe, in December 2007. Through Petrocaribe, Venezuela provides Caribbean nations oil at low prices and investment in state-run energy industries. In July 2008, ever more concerned to secure access to resources for rural and agricultural development, literacy and health care as well as resources to promote energy and food security, Zelaya decided to join the solidarity-based trading bloc led by Venezuela and Cuba, the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas (ALBA). That move confirmed to the US government and its local allies in the Honduran landowning and business oligarchy that the Zelaya government was determined to break out of the country�s traditional dependence on and submission to the US. Zelaya had already bitterly criticised the US for its immigration policy towards Central American migrants. He had also broached the idea of using the Palmerola-Soto Cano US air base near Comayagua as the main international airport for Honduras. Zelaya was also a fervent supporter of Central American integration with a view to creating a stronger voice for the region in international affairs. Along with the governments of El Salvador and Nicaragua, Zelaya enthusiastically promoted measures to promote Central American integration, such as lifting migration controls and easing customs formalities. Zelaya also antagonised powerful domestic interests. In May 2007, he forced 10 radio and television stations to broadcast for ten days daily bulletins informing the population of government programs and activities on behalf of the impoverished majority. In late 2008, Zelaya increased the minimum wage for large sectors of the Honduran work force from an average of around US$180 per month to $289 in urban areas and $213 in rural areas. The cost of a basic basket of food in Honduras then was US$325. Zelaya told employers, �you can employ someone but you cannot tell them they can only eat twice a day. It cannot be like that. �It cannot be permitted that people get hired at a cost less than that necessary to be able to eat.� For these reasons and more, the political establishment in Honduras, dominated by business and landowning interests submissive to the country's traditional alliance with and dependence on the US worked to undermine President Zelaya. Much of the coverage has described Zelaya as a �leftist�. Actually, he is an old style Liberal Party politician, albeit from one of its more progressive currents. As such, he benefited from the party machine and used it to become president. His progressive brand of nationalism emphasises the need for regional unity and integration across political boundaries. That emphasis he has shared with politicians as diverse as the right-wing former Salvadoran president Tony Saca, Sandinista president of Nicaragua Daniel Ortega and middle-of-the-road Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom. The immediate pretext of the coup was Zelaya�s attempt to hold a consultative vote on whether or not to propose to the Honduran electorate in the November 2009 national elections the possibility of a constituent assembly to alter the constitution. Leaders of the opposition immediately distorted the president�s consultative initiative, claiming that he sought re-election. That claim was taken up and amplified by the international corporate media. The coup occurred on the morning the consultative vote was due to take place, June 28. Because the country is under a state of siege with fierce repression of news media loyal to Zelaya, it is almost impossible to get anything like a complete picture or detailed account of what is happening nationally. However, widespread repression has been confirmed, including hundreds of people detained, numerous others disappeared, hundreds injured at pro-Zelaya demonstrations and at least two people killed by security forces. Media coverage Foreign news media have not reported these events and their context either accurately or fairly. Among other inaccuracies, one especially pernicious has been the lie that Zelaya sought re-election. This lie was constantly repeated. If it had not been for the Venezuelan-initiated Latin America-wide news channel Telesur, a great deal of what has been reported would simply never have reached as wide a global audience. The role of the main North American and European news media has been uniformly deplorable. The comparison with what happened in Iran is dramatically telling. The double standard is obvious. Human rights violations and alleged wrongdoing by US enemies are magnified. Those by regional US allies are minimised. One can say unequivocally now that the foreign news coverage by corporate media of the Western countries overwhelmingly serves the foreign policy agendas of their governments. Very few outlets clearly explained the reason for the proposed consultative vote. Consequently, they were unable to explain convincingly the reason for the coup. Just to recap, the reason for the consultative vote, at the request of petitions from almost 500,000 people, was to suggest the possibility of a constituent assembly so as to be able to discuss a more participative way of involving the people of Honduras in decisions. The business and landowning elite in the country dreaded an affirmative result from the vote for that proposal. They, like their patrons in the US government, fear and reject change. That is why they staged the coup. US role The historical role of the United States in Honduras has always been a reactionary one. President Franklin D. Roosevelt supported the military dictator General Carias Andino through the 1930s. The US government supported the Honduran government�s attempts to crush the great workers strike of 1954. The coup has been frowned on by Obama, but little has been done to squash it. The US government seems unable to shake its historical affinity to corporate-friendly repressive regimes. So far, the Honduran coup has shown up more clearly than ever the cynicism of the US government and the thorough mendacity of Western corporate media. Abridged from Scoop. |
Here's my belief on this issue. Once again. I am not criticizing anyone's opinions or posts, I just have some beef with the political side of things, in particucarly the media - which funny enough even Noam Chomsky said has been very improper in portraying the Latin American issues since God knows when.
What a bunch of horseshit. "consultative vote" my ass. Might as well run an internet poll or do a phone poll for Christ's sake, if this was allegedly so harmless and pointless. I know it wasn't such a pointless move. Zelaya was too busy setting up his own agenda for multiple presidential terms in office. If this was such a harmless move, how come:
a) Zelaya fired top military officials for refusing to organize the "vote"
b) Congress and the Supreme Court, along with members of Zelaya's OWN party and public were against it
The entire media is biased against the independent Honduras. I mean, look at the contradictions in the media - lets take BBC News for instance:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8134699.stm
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President Zelaya planned non-binding public consultation on constitutional change
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8125292.stm
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The ousted president, who was in office since 2006, had wanted to hold a referendum that could have led to an extension of his non-renewable four-year term in office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8120161.stm
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Mr Zelaya fired Gen Romeo Vasquez after he refused to help with a referendum on constitutional change that could allow the president to seek a second term.
Both Congress and the courts have already deemed the planned referendum unlawful.
Army chief Gen Romeo Vasquez said he could not break the law
OK, the retard Zelaya knew the officials were against the referendum, and he went ahead anyway. Either way, disrespect for the ways of the law or Constitution, whichever way you look at it.
Zelaya wouldn't fire the general and defy the country's legislative and lawful bodies if he wasn't dead serious on getting on with his agenda. This wasn't some "consultation", this is not a joke. Its not logical to believe what Zelaya or the media says, especially when you see Chavez (*cough cough*) openly up in arms over this, and then Obama happily jumps in and supports his new best friend.
Chavez up in arms to protect democracy? Oh, boy, thats a new one
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