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Iraq parties as US troops pull out of cities

What are these idiots celebrating? They can barely govern themselves, let alone protect against militants and other problems plaguing the volatile Iraqi state. Now that American troops are pulling out of cities, the challenges facing Iraqis are steep. They have no appreciation for American efforts in Iraq in recent years - if Americans pulled out completely their asses would be owned by the trigger-happy militants and murderers.

Not that I am praising the American invasion and occupation of Iraq, but those people are just so unappreciative, corrupt and unable to build much progress themselves without American direct help and intervention, for which Iraqis like to take credit for themselves, and then blame America for their problems.

Nationalism can be a sick disease, and it is probably one of the main reasons for instability in Iraq today. You didnt see the same problem when Americans temporarily occupied Western Europe after WW2.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8124476.stm

Baghdad parties as US pulls back

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The party was being shown on a giant screen across the Tigris Iraqis have held a giant party in a Baghdad park as US troops approach their deadline for withdrawing from cities and towns to their bases. Thousands flocked to the capital's Zawra Park to be entertained by musicians and poets, as police patrol cars were festooned with flowers. US-led combat operations in Iraq are due to end by September 2010, with all troops gone by the end of 2011. Iraq has declared Tuesday National Sovereignty Day, a public holiday. Since 2003 [the year of the US-led invasion], I have never been to a party Ahmed Ali Baghdad reveller, 20 The country's security forces are set to take over the policing of cities and towns. The BBC's defence and security correspondent, Rob Watson, says that while the pull-back is significant, the actual withdrawal of US combat troops next year will pose a greater challenge. Some 131,000 US troops remain in Iraq, including 12 combat brigades, and the total is not expected to drop below 128,000 until after the Iraqi national election next January. Symbolic hand-over "Since 2003 [the year of the US-led invasion], I have never been to a party," Ahmed Ali, 20, told AFP news agency as the party got under way in Zawra. Gen Abboud Qambar receives the symbolic key to the defence ministry from US Gen Daniel Bolger in Baghdad, 29 June A US general handed over the symbolic key to the defence ministry "But today I am coming to hear the singers I love." Popular Iraqi singers including Salah Hassan, Kassem Sultan and Abed Falek, who all live abroad, had travelled to Baghdad for the occasion, the agency said. Revellers had to undergo three security checks to enter the park but no-one seemed to complain amid a jubilant atmosphere, where an onstage banner declared that Baghdad's sovereignty and independence had been recovered. Even policemen joined in the fun, dancing with the party-goers, AFP reported. "Today is the day that we got back our country," said Salim Mohammed, from the sprawling Shia district of Sadr City. Despite the festive mood, Iraqi police and soldiers were manning checkpoints, inspecting identity cards and checking vehicles for weapons. Interior ministry spokesman Maj Gen Abdul Karim Khalaf said he had orders to deploy his forces "100% on the ground until further notice". The former defence ministry building in Baghdad, which was taken over after the 2003 US-led invasion, was handed back to the Iraqi government on Monday. Gen Abboud Qambar, commander of Baghdad Operation Command, received a symbolic key from US Gen Daniel Bolger, commander of US forces in Baghdad. "This marks the end of the rule of the multi-national force," the Iraqi commander said. Bigger challenge American commanders are describing the withdrawal to base as an important milestone, our correspondent says. Yet it is not a dramatic break because US troops will still be embedded with Iraq's security forces and many American soldiers will remain a short drive away on the cities' outskirts. The pull-back is not without risks, our correspondent adds, and both the Americans and the Iraqis are expecting al-Qaeda and other groups to attempt to re-ignite sectarian unrest. While no-one believes there will be a return to the levels of violence seen a few years ago, the bigger challenge will come next summer when American combat troops are due to be withdrawn, rather than merely redeployed, our correspondent says. He says for that to go well is in the hands of Iraq's political leaders and their ability to tackle the country's many outstanding problems and tensions.

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Iraqis unappreciative? I for one would not appreciate my country being invaded, no matter what the reason. I don't care if the invader is here to build roads and schools.

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Originally posted by Krypton Iraqis unappreciative? I for one would not appreciate my country being invaded, no matter what the reason. I don't care if the invader is here to build roads and schools.

we aren't talking about the country being invaded: that is over! The point is that american lives were lost trying to defend iraqis from shitheads. Americans spent billions trying to rebuild infrastructure. get passed that shit and look at what occurred afterwards.






Mag - you certainly have changed your tone about politics recently.

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Originally posted by Krypton Iraqis unappreciative? I for one would not appreciate my country being invaded, no matter what the reason. I don't care if the invader is here to build roads and schools.

Invasion was a problem, something me and many others have opposed, the problem brought upon us by Bush and the gang, but there's nothing that can be done about that now.

Surely Americans can pull out of Iraq right now altogether, but you probably know yourself that the Iraqi government, as much as they "hate" American occupation, they wouldn't want that to happen. Not yet, at least. Only when America finally gives them some happiness and security on a plate and at a cost of another few thousand dead troops, then they would finally tell Americans to get the fuck out of Iraq (literally) ... and take the credit for achievements for themselves.

Iraq is just not going to be able to sustain as a stable democratic-like state on its own in the near future. It has too many grave inner problems that go back all the way to the questionable creation of the state of Iraq. I think its a failed state, sort of like Yugoslavia, perhaps.

Besides, Iraq is no longer the headline story in the world - not even the headline story in the region anymore. We dont look at it as about oil, its clear now that there's a complicated situation at hand. If it was all about oil, you wouldn't be seeing oil infrastructure to remain in its current terrible shape, and everyone knows Iraq can pump out 4-5 times more than its current 2.5 million barrels of oil a day. Aging infrastructure, neglect, nationalism, insurgency. Heck, some analysts suggested that if Saddam fell even without American invasion, the country would have still went into a civil war, due to suppressed long-standing tension between Shiite majority (oppressed under Sunni minority rule of Saddam), Sunnies and Kurds (separate state, Saddam war crimes).

Look at the violence in Iraq today. Most of it is not driven against American occupation, but against other Iraqis. The only thing thats preventing a full-out civil war and subsequent foreign occupation by Iran and Turkey is American-led presence.

So what, I mean who didn't see this coming?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 Mag - you certainly have changed your tone about politics recently.

All the dumb shit going on in the world, and locally, has moved me to a self-described "conservative-leaning libertarian", of sorts.

We got to protect our values, system, standards. Being way too liberal is what has contributed the world to get into the shithole it is today!

For example, liberalism will never solve the main problems that I want to address, such as environmental issues.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Being way too liberal is what has contributed the world to get into the shithole it is today! For example, liberalism will never solve the main problems that I want to address, such as environmental issues.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

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Originally posted by Clovis Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

From a Canadian perspective - perhaps in United States its a different approach, and the politics of things are different (slightly) down there - because I dont particularly like the Republican Party.

Where I am from, mostly people of Conservative backgrounds support or have interest in my approach of issues. Church groups do way more environmental work, recycling and community cohesiveness / values than liberal-leaning hippies. From my past jobs in the community, I had nothing but a blast dealing with those church people (though I dont go to church).

Mostly its due to social and economic issues - the more I look at young people of my generation, the more Conservative I've become.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 we aren't talking about the country being invaded: that is over! The point is that american lives were lost trying to defend iraqis from shitheads. Americans spent billions trying to rebuild infrastructure. get passed that shit and look at what occurred afterwards.

Mag said they were "unappreciative". I simply made the point that no one enjoys watching their country get invaded. Yea, America made sacrifices, but Iraq didn't ask for it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium What are these idiots celebrating?

Freedom..

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Originally posted by Krypton Iraqis unappreciative? I for one would not appreciate my country being invaded, no matter what the reason. I don't care if the invader is here to build roads and schools.

He means re-building the schools and roads they destroyed in first place in the process of invading..

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Originally posted by Magnetonium From a Canadian perspective - perhaps in United States its a different approach, and the politics of things are different (slightly) down there - because I dont particularly like the Republican Party. Where I am from, mostly people of Conservative backgrounds support or have interest in my approach of issues. Church groups do way more environmental work, recycling and community cohesiveness / values than liberal-leaning hippies. From my past jobs in the community, I had nothing but a blast dealing with those church people (though I dont go to church). Mostly its due to social and economic issues - the more I look at young people of my generation, the more Conservative I've become.

Hijack the thread (sorry)
Mag if you're in the Toronto area (or sphere of influence) it's because the younger generation doesn't particularily care for the government's track record when they know they can take matters into their own hands with the great leveler that the Internet is...
I'm not talking your stereotypical teen rebel; fight the power! type either.

/hijack

As for the thread subject, I think it's a great move to start leaving.
It'll stiffin' up the Iraqis spine when they realize that if they don't want to fall back to a dictator they're going to have to do it themselves (with some help of course).

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Originally posted by Kinezi He means re-building the schools and roads they destroyed in first place in the process of invading..

There were roads and schools before the "process of invading"...

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Originally posted by Krypton There were roads and schools before the "process of invading"...

yes there were.. it was perfect normal functioning country with no wmds..

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Originally posted by Krypton There were roads and schools before the "process of invading"...

thats exactly what Kinezi said you retard. dude, youre like a whole suitcase of fail.

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Originally posted by Q5echo thats exactly what Kinezi said you retard. dude, youre like a whole suitcase of fail.

Q, don't make me open up a can of whoop ass.

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