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Bush program extended beyond domestic wiretapping

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse. They were talking about today on NPR radio. Anyone remember when Alberto Gonzalez went to John Ashcroft while he was in the hospital, very sick, so he could get him to override a decision banned warrantless wiretapping. Then at his congressional hearing, Gonzalez famously repeated, "I don't remember!"

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Report: Bush program extended beyond wiretapping WASHINGTON � The Bush administration authorized secret surveillance activities that still have not been made public, according to a new government report that questions the legal basis for the unprecedented anti-terrorism program. It's unclear how much valuable intelligence was yielded by the surveillance program started after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, according to the unclassified summary of reports by five inspectors general. The reports mandated by Congress last year were delivered to lawmakers Friday. President George W. Bush authorized other secret intelligence activities � which have yet to become public � even as he was launching the massive warrentless wiretapping program, the summary said. It describes the entire program as the "President's Surveillance Program."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710...ic_surveillance

Haven't been touched on our soil since then, so you fucking know its working!

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Originally posted by Q5echo [img]http://www.waarheid911.nl/wtc2collapse.jpg[img]

Breaking the law is justified right? We can still prevent terrorism without sacrificing our constitutional values.

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Originally posted by Krypton Breaking the law is justified right?

you're going to have to be more specific.

Why should we care anyway, none of us go to mosques right?

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Originally posted by Clovis Why should we care anyway, none of us go to mosques right?

i only go for the free felafel on tuesdays and thursdays.

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Originally posted by Q5echo you're going to have to be more specific.

Q, perhaps I should throw out a picture of dead Iraqis all bloodied up. We can just throw emotionally charged pictures at each other!

You want specifics? Domestic warrant less wiretapping of American citizens communications. Just a start. But I honestly don't have much hope for where this is going to go. I know you believe wholeheartedly in the national security state, at the behest of our constitutional rights. Again, we can have reasonable security without sacrificing our freedoms.

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Originally posted by Krypton You want specifics?

yes. is that too much to ask? i'm sorry, weaksauce, but after accusing someone of breaking the law it becomes incumbant upon you, weaksauce, to provide proof - some detail - something.

...but i'm not even asking that. all i'm asking is what specifically was the law you're accusing someone of breaking?

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Domestic warrant less wiretapping of American citizens communications. Just a start.

that was an act of Congress. you must stop failing at this grasshopper.

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But I honestly don't have much hope for where this is going to go.

you are substituting "hope" with knowledge. please stop doing that. thats how we ended up with a Community Organizer-in-Chief...who btw has endorsed, continued, and enhanced everything you hate Bush for.

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Again, we can have reasonable security without sacrificing our freedoms.

define reasonable? and what freedoms have we laid at the alter un-reasonable security?

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Originally posted by Q5echo yes. is that too much to ask? i'm sorry, weaksauce, but after accusing someone of breaking the law it becomes incumbant upon you, weaksauce, to provide proof - some detail - something. ...but i'm not even asking that. all i'm asking is what specifically was the law you're accusing someone of breaking?

Torture statutes, international law, and search and seizure amendment.

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that was an act of Congress. you must stop failing at this grasshopper.

A Republican dominated Congress in lock step with anything and everything the president wanted, awesome...fuck off with the arrogant comments.

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you are substituting "hope" with knowledge. please stop doing that. thats how we ended up with a Community Organizer-in-Chief...who btw has endorsed, continued, and enhanced everything you hate Bush for.

Bullshit. You want me to believe we still water board, and send detainees to third countries to be tortured? LOL...

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define reasonable? and what freedoms have we laid at the alter un-reasonable security?

Police just can't arrest anyone off the street just on a hunch they committed a crime. We have law and order, but, we have rights protecting us from a tyrannical state. What you want is a national security state that can do anything it wants in the name of fighting terrorism. No wonder you post an emotionally charged picture as if it means anything.

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Originally posted by Krypton Bullshit. You want me to believe we still water board, and send detainees to third countries to be tortured? LOL...

You're pretty stupid if you think otherwise.

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Originally posted by Lews You're pretty stupid if you think otherwise.

fuck off...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9042100699.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28574408/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3029279...cs-white_house/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30725189/

What is media links?

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Originally posted by Lews http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3029279...cs-white_house/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30725189/ What is media links?

Oh no! A database full of private information isn't available to the public! Gee, I wanted people to know my social security number! I also would have thought you would know why the additional torture photos were not released. But of course, you'r trying to make a political point...nice spin..

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Originally posted by Krypton fuck off... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9042100699.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28574408/

And you actually believe those stories?

There's a whole lot that can go on in secret before it's found out.

I'm sure that if they aren't 'specifically' water-boarding for information, they're using SOME form of pseudo-torture to obtain information.

Obama, he's a long-legged mack-daddy, and he ain't stupid.

Just one good reason they will not reveal what is going on behind the scenes. It's a huge can of worms. Well beyond domestic wiretapping is fukin correct, give yourself a pat on the back for once Kryptoshit.



US Government covers up 911 Washington off the hook.

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Originally posted by Spam And you actually believe those stories? There's a whole lot that can go on in secret before it's found out. I'm sure that if they aren't 'specifically' water-boarding for information, they're using SOME form of pseudo-torture to obtain information. Obama, he's a long-legged mack-daddy, and he ain't stupid.

So you are accusing the current administration of not adhering to the Geneva Conventions or the US Army Field Manual? Ok, prove it.

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Originally posted by culorut Just one good reason they will not reveal what is going on behind the scenes. It's a huge can of worms. Well beyond domestic wiretapping is fukin correct, give yourself a pat on the back for once Kryptoshit.

Everyone's favorite fake intellectual is back. Welcome.

Personally I'm all for the torture, to be honest.

I just think its stupid to make such broad accusations, that Obama has completely stopped torture, with no actual proof.

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Originally posted by Krypton Everyone's favorite fake intellectual is back. Welcome.

At least I am not a fukin ignorant kunt.

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Originally posted by Lews Personally I'm all for the torture, to be honest.

That's unfortunate.

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I just think its stupid to make such broad accusations, that Obama has completely stopped torture, with no actual proof.

I also think it's stupid to make such broad accusations, that Obama has continued the Bush torture policies, with no actual proof. Even, after the fact, Bush himself, stopped his own torture policies with the modification of the Department of Defense Directive 2310 in 2006...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depart..._Directive_2310

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Originally posted by culorut At least I am not a fukin ignorant kunt.

You aren't?

Nope, some one is though. This thread is prime example of who that person is.....

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Originally posted by culorut Nope, some one is though. This thread is prime example of who that person is.....

You? Glad you finally admit it.

Sorry wrong again, take a look at the number of replies you have received right from the start of this thread because of your ignorance.

You must live a in padded room.

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