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i was out at club digital last night, got in about 5am and my ears have been ringing ever since. That was 14hours ago, is this normal? How long does it take to subside? I don't go to clubs very often, so i'm not subjecting my ears to loud noise all the time. How do the dj's cope with it if they are not wearing ear plugs? And how many dj's do?

i dunno what to say is this even a MD topic anyways hope u feel better soon
hugs and loves

Sometimes my ears are a bit "numb" the day after, but if they're still ringing you may have done some damage.

If I ever have the spare cash I will get some good quality earplugs, but I don't think my hearing has deteriorated that much since I started clubbing.

Welcome to the world of tinnitus.

All I know is that ringing means some damage. I had it a lot when I used to go out.
Do you go out often or did you just start?
I think I had it longer when I started going out. Lateron it disappeared somewhere in the next day.
I don't think I would wear plugs, just look better where to stand. Not in front of the speakers.

The last gig i went too a couple of months ago , i was right at the front for most of the night , and the day after , it was a no go , i couldnt hear anything clearly , but after 2 days i was back to normal , so my lesson learned there is dont stand so close if you wanna hear for the next few days.

It is not the amount of time you go out or are exposed that really matters, I mean a few seconds could damage your hearing forever.
But it is more likely that you damage your ears only after a while or after going out often and exposing your ears to alot of sound.

Tinnitus is the medical term for hearing constant sound when the sound you hear actually doesn't exist. Some people obviously have a higher treshold than others to where something like Tinnitus actually occurs or becomes excruciatingly painful.
Some djs even suffer from Tinnitus (for example Jody Wisternoff)


Ever since I bought earplugs myself Ive been really encouraging most of my friends to buy decent earplugs when they go out alot or are planning on standing somewhere where the music is very loud (for example near the speakers).

The big issue for me is that unlike a bruise or a bad haircut, damaged hearing cant actually improve anymore over your lifetime. If its fucked, its fucked so to say
You can only learn to live with it, so it doesnt bother you as much

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Originally posted by Trance-MB I don't think I would wear plugs, just look better where to stand. Not in front of the speakers.

I think, this is a general misconception. Usually you're right but when the setup is bad it might not matter really where you stand. If the highs for example are too loud or the dj uses an effect that makes it go off the scale, you can be fucked quite easily regardless of where you stand

Get these

http://www.audiorelief.co.uk/shop/images/black%20&%20white%20er15.jpg

I got a pair a year ago (not that manufacturer) and I'd say its probably the best purchase I've ever made. I dont care if it looks stupid or if people comment, whenever I'm at a gig or even in a loud pub I pop them in. Theres nothing worse than having ringing ears the next day and these get rid of it by pulling the sound levels down by 15 - 25 decibels.

You dont really notice after a while as your ear adjusts, so you perceive the sound just as loud as everyone else. And no ringing ears even after an 8 - 10 hour gig.

Cost me a fortune, �230 for a pair so they're quite precious, but I'd recommend them to absolutely everyone. Being able to change the volume level yourself in a club is fantastic.

Edit: Funny enough I can hear people talking better with them in, as you can pick out sounds more easily.

The only awkward part is that when you talk, you can hear yourself talking more loudly than normal, as the sound reverberated through your jawbone into your ear isnt attenuated like the outside sound entering your ear is.

thanks for the comments so far folks. Yes i was standing at the front for about 90mins when mark eteson was on. Right next to the speakers, you could feel the bass going right through you, i was so drunk i didn't care or think! But next time i will deffo be more careful. Lesson learned, and i'll hopefully recover.

I got myself some mild tinnitus more than a year ago after i attended a terribly loud and long concert and lent my earplugs to somebody else. Stupidest thing i've ever done. The following days i had a horribly loud ringing in my ears, i couldn't hear very good and everything sounded muffled and distorted. Then i got all (as far as i can tell) of my hearing back but the ringing was still there. Since then the ringing itself has shifted in nature and today it doesn't bother me much, but the first few weeks i learned what regret and depression mean. Tinnitus can go away but it can also be chronic, it might go away after a week, a month, a year or you may have it all your life.

I don't consider myself reckless but maybe it would have happened sooner or later anyway, now i've learned my lesson and i don't go anywhere near loud noises without my earplugs actually in my ears.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If I ever have the spare cash I will get some good quality earplugs

Are you telling me you can't afford a pair of these: http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx ?

Decent earplugs are indeed quite expensive
Mine cost about 160euro and I have had them insured for 2years for another 20. They work exactly as THE_Chris says, and just drop the sound about 25dB for me. Best purchase I ever did btw

If you ARE planning on buying earplugs, Id make sure to ask if they have an evenly spread damping. Normally the expensive ones should have this by default, but it doesnt hurt to be sure.
This ensures that the sound you hear with the plugs in has the same level of highs, mids and lows as the sound you would hear without them in.
Without evenly spread damping the music can sound can quite distorted or mangled

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Originally posted by SMC Are you telling me you can't afford a pair of these: http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx ?

I didn't know you could get them so cheap. The prices I've always seen are in line with what Chris mentioned.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I didn't know you could get them so cheap. The prices I've always seen are in line with what Chris mentioned.

Obviously they are 1-size-fits-all, which is never really worth spending money on (imo) and they dont have flat damping like I explained in the previous post.
But they DO preserve your ears

1-size-fits-all always have the issue of leaking sound, which makes them really useless for a night of proper clubbing since a few seconds of leaking can be enough for some permanent (and extended) damage

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I didn't know you could get them so cheap. The prices I've always seen are in line with what Chris mentioned.

I'm not saying they're the best as far as transparency goes because i don't know, i have not tried any of those expensive molded-looking ones. But when it comes to protection they definitely do the job, they sit firmly in the ear and the sound is a lot better/clearer than with cheap throwaway foam plugs.

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Originally posted by SMC they sit firmly in the ear and the sound is a lot better/clearer than with cheap throwaway foam plugs.

That they sound better than foam plugs obviously is true, but I can't imagine them sitting in your ear firmly enough (since they are not molded to your ear) to not leak while laughing, dancing, moving, chewing, drinking, or just banging your head lol
Ofcourse if they do the job for you thats perfect

foam plugs are also made to prevent damage created by noise, like construction work
(oops accidentally quoted my own post instead of editing )

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Originally posted by Glaniskanis That they sound better than foam plugs obviously is true, but I can't imagine them sitting in your ear firmly enough (since they are not molded to your ear) to not leak while laughing, dancing, moving, chewing, drinking, or just banging your head lol Ofcourse if they do the job for you thats perfect

One presses them in until they create an air-tight seal and then they sit there. This leakage you're talking about occurs for me only when i do one of these mega yawns and open my mouth REEEEALLY wide and stretch the jaw and sorrounding areas of muscle/bone etc around the ear. I've noticed it once or twice i think, and even then it's not like the whole plug pops out of the ear, there is only a slight momentary increase in the level of sound that comes through into the ear. Drinking, dancing and headbanging works fine. Chewing i haven't tried but i imagine that should work as well, unless you order in a steak while enjoying your favorite band performing.

I have some etymotic ear plugs as well and fucking love them. I used to have ringing in my ears for days (until wednesday once) after I went out, but with them in I have no problems at all. I keep them on my keychain now so I'm sure to never forget them.

Next time, go in with ear plugs. The loud music really does take a toll on your inner ear.

When I first started going out long ago I used to have bad cases of ringing ears. I remember I'd leave a club and get into a taxi to go home and not be able to hear myself, at all, try to tell the cab driver my address...I've had a few times where it took 3-5 days for the ringing to completely go away.

The last time I really remember having an issue after leaving an event was all the way back in 2004. I've been to hundreds of events over the years and can't think of one time since then that I've really had an issue. Maybe the systems here are just so well-tuned these days and I know some clubs don't play music as loud as they used to (due to local residents complaining) which might help too...but I've been lucky I must say.

To be safe, I've tried everything from foam to the ER20's...and all just kills the quality oft he sound too much. Yes, including the ER20s. They are better than the others, but not good enough for me! But before my ears give out me, def gottta work on getting custom fit earplugs....just have more important things to worry about now when it comes to what I spend my money on.

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Originally posted by DJ HARN thanks for the comments so far folks. Yes i was standing at the front for about 90mins when mark eteson was on. Right next to the speakers, you could feel the bass going right through you, i was so drunk i didn't care or think! But next time i will deffo be more careful. Lesson learned, and i'll hopefully recover.

Harn, I dont want to scare you but about 6 years ago I was out in NY on a friday night. Stayed out till 4 or 5am came home and slept until Sunday and then Sunday Night went to Shampoo Nightclub in Philly. Small room there and the DJ's were notorious for being treble blasting retards. Literally the resident dj there was obviously deaf because he would eq the room so harshly week in and week out.

So I come home Monday morning and the ears are ringing. I also noticed that cars and heavy machinery passing me on the highway were loud and painful. Long story short, in 1 night of heavy exposure I went from having pretty good hearing to having a legit case of hyperacusis. I also had unrelenting ringing (tinnitus) for years aftewards. At this point the ringing may still be there but my brain just might not hear it.

Definition of Hyperacusis: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...s&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

I didnt go to any bars or clubs for about 6 months and if I did I wore ear plugs. Its gotten better in the last few years, as it seems the human body can heal almost anything. But my advice is, if you have tinnitus for more than a day or 2, stay out of the bars and clubs for awhile and put ear plugs in your wallet so you always have them if needed.

I decided to experiment with ear plugs last year when I DJ'd in Tokyo. After taking them out, the sound levels were terrifying, and I have worn them every time I have been clubbing, since. I never go clubbing without them, and never get tinitus after. It's scary how loud the music really is. If you're a regular clubber, you should definitely invest in some.

my liver is a bit more fucked than my eyes at the moment, with all the drinking.

i might have to invest in some earplugs as i am slowly starting to lose my hearing. i dont have enough cash to replace both my liver and ear drums...

It helps to take frequent breaks, and switch to positions where the music isnt as loud.

It is true though, that if your ears are ringing its an indication of damage.

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