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Complacency with our credit cards/passports/etc

So, this just touched a nerve with me. A post on someones facebook about this new "edl" (RFID enhanced DL) and the need for it without a passport to drive in Canada.

How many people are actually aware that these are fucking gold for an identity thief? How many of you know that you are less protected with these devices in your credit cards, passports, drivers license, etc?

If you are unaware of what I am talking about, you know those access cards that you get for work? Or if you are a government contractor? The ones you wave over a reader? That is the same exact technology. The difference? The ones in your credit cards and passports have no encryption. They have no security built into them.

don't be so damn paranoid Ben!

so what, you subscribe to life lock? put your social security number out there so everyone can see it and try to steal your identity but can't because you have life lock?

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Originally posted by tubularbills don't be so damn paranoid Ben! so what, you subscribe to life lock? put your social security number out there so everyone can see it and try to steal your identity but can't because you have life lock?

lol if you call this paranoia, I must be nuts then. This kind of shit bothers the hell out of me. I have no real way to get around it with my passport, but I will be avoiding the ones on the credit cards like the plague. I refuse to entrust my financial stability in the hands of credit card issuers.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol if you call this paranoia, I must be nuts then. This kind of shit bothers the hell out of me. I have no real way to get around it with my passport, but I will be avoiding the ones on the credit cards like the plague. I refuse to entrust my financial stability in the hands of credit card issuers.

but really, how often are YOU going to use your passport that someone would steal your identity from? i mean, do you use it as a form of ID in the US? why the fuck would you do that? just keep it in a desk drawer and only take it out when you are leaving the country.

and then what, some stewardess (excuse me, "flight attendant") is going to steal your life when you show it to her as you're at the ticket counter? like there's this big ass conspiracy in the flying industry to steal american citizen's identities when they go to Canada of all places?

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Originally posted by tubularbills but really, how often are YOU going to use your passport that someone would steal your identity from? i mean, do you use it as a form of ID in the US? why the fuck would you do that? just keep it in a desk drawer and only take it out when you are leaving the country. and then what, some stewardess (excuse me, "flight attendant") is going to steal your life when you show it to her as you're at the ticket counter? like there's this big ass conspiracy in the flying industry to steal american citizen's identities when they go to Canada of all places?

You're missing the point man. It is in your credit cards, and they will eventually force it to be required on the drivers license. And there is NO security in these devices.

You are basically enabling the crooks the ability to steal your identity without ever actually even being less than 100ft from them.

Simple RFID is so 2000's... It's all about NFC now

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel You're missing the point man. It is in your credit cards, and they will eventually force it to be required on the drivers license. And there is NO security in these devices. You are basically enabling the crooks the ability to steal your identity without ever actually even being less than 100ft from them.

so what, you're going to use cash everywhere then? and ride the bus so you don't have a driver's license?

lol, i'd like to see you ride a bus actually. i'd chuckle at it.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Simple RFID is so 2000's... It's all about NFC now

Is it more secure? Considering it is just an extension of the same technology, I would go with the way the CC companies will implement it, no.

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Originally posted by tubularbills so what, you're going to use cash everywhere then? and ride the bus so you don't have a driver's license? lol, i'd like to see you ride a bus actually. i'd chuckle at it.

Will, this is exactly the complacency I was talking about. Taking the "what am I to do" stance. Don't get a card with it in it. Avoid the EDL if possible and get a proper protective sleeve for your passport.

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Originally posted by tubularbills but really, how often are YOU going to use your passport that someone would steal your identity from? i mean, do you use it as a form of ID in the US?

Western Union accepts passports as a form of identification, including here in the US.

I saw this in Metal Gear Solid 2.
The card actually does require a password.
The password is nothing less than the physiological data of the cardholder. The cardholders vital signs, heartbeat, blood pressure, brainwave pattern and so on are constantly monitored by his/her nanomachines. This information along with the DNA pattern serve as a biometric password, unbreakable even by the most advanced parallel processor supercomputers.
The password entry itself cannot be performed unless brainwave patterns and heartbeats fall within normal parameters, rendering chemical and other forms of coercion impractical.


in other words, the purchase must be made of the card holder's own free will.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Is it more secure? Considering it is just an extension of the same technology, I would go with the way the CC companies will implement it, no.

NFC = near field communication. It adds more levels of security. Current credit cards are fucking easily hackable.

And electronic passports are far more secure than classic paper-passports.

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Originally posted by d-miurge NFC = near field communication. It adds more levels of security. Current credit cards are fucking easily hackable. And electronic passports are far more secure than classic paper-passports.

Electronic passports more secure than classic ones? They are the same thing with the addition of the electronics in them..

Yeah I looked up what NFC was, but it is just an extension of RFID if you read up on it. How is that any more secure? I noticed I read it has a smartcard built in, which will, if implemented properly (and that is a big IF), provide much higher security. I just have my doubts.

As somebody who processes hundreds of individual credit card transactions each week, I can say that if you use your credit card at all, your identity is not secure. The trick is to be such a humongous loser, nobody even wants to become you for a while.

They should just get it done with and microchip us already.

ben... who the fuck would want your identity anyway? relax.

Not to mention the fact that government contractors with those passes would no doubt have their government credit cards attached to said badge - not their personal ones.

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Originally posted by secked As somebody who processes hundreds of individual credit card transactions each week, I can say that if you use your credit card at all, your identity is not secure. The trick is to be such a humongous loser, nobody even wants to become you for a while.

And this has to do with this how?

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Originally posted by secked Not to mention the fact that government contractors with those passes would no doubt have their government credit cards attached to said badge - not their personal ones.

The credit cards aren't part of the badge...

thank god my Amex Centurion card doesn't have an RFID chip built into it.

ben wears tin foil hats.

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Originally posted by elzidane ben wears tin foil hats.

Of course man. Fucking aliens kidnapped me.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel The credit cards aren't part of the badge...

No kidding, I knew that sounded like bullshit.

seriously though ben, even today if someone really wants to steal your identity that badly they can. If this makes traveling and going through airport security that much easier, as well as making border workers jobs more efficient , then what is the problem?

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