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While I am not a fan of them in general, does anyone here think they are going about it in the totally wrong way? I believe the manner in which they are doing it to be quite inefficient. With all locomotives that are diesel-electric hybrids, the diesel motor does nothing with the actual work to move the train. That is all done via the electric motors. The diesel engine is strictly for electricity generation.

Now, I don't know how efficient it actually would be on such a small scale. Anyone else see things that I may not be in my quickly thrown together thoughts?

The only issue I have with hybrids is that they take so much energy to produce that to have any net benefit on the environment you�d have to wait 20+ years til they break even.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN The only issue I have with hybrids is that they take so much energy to produce that to have any net benefit on the environment you�d have to wait 20+ years til they break even.

Not to mention the cost premium, the cost to replace the batteries, and the higher cost of maintenance (Consumer Reports just came out with a report about this) per mile driven. Also, there was a study that showed that any and all fuel savings, are negated because hybrid owners drive MORE than their plain jane petrol counterparts.

Hybrids are still marketing.

The aircar is what's going to be big in 2030.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Hybrids are still marketing. The aircar is what's going to be big in 2030.

i read about that in elementary school. was supposed to be out by 2009.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Hybrids are still marketing. The aircar is what's going to be big in 2030.

lol I read about this stuff about 6 months ago. Dunno if it was referring to this company specifically, but it was a very interesting concept.

I would like to see ionised metal filing canister cars made reality.

I read a fairly long case study and it seemed incredibly feasible and easy to institute in terms of infrastructure.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I would like to see ionised metal filing canister cars made reality. I read a fairly long case study and it seemed incredibly feasible and easy to institute in terms of infrastructure.

Do you have a link to that? I would love to read it.

I am all for alternative fuels or modes of transportation. We really have no use in the long-term for our current mode of transportation.

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Originally posted by d-miurge Hybrids are still marketing. The aircar is what's going to be big in 2030.

Are they trying to make those things as ugly as possible?

I also read about this a while ago, from a different company. That company advocated metal press plates in the road that would generate electricity when the cars passed over them.

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Originally posted by trancechan i read about that in elementary school. was supposed to be out by 2009.

It's out already. There are some "air-taxis" in Mexico City.

Tata bought the patent btw.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Do you have a link to that? I would love to read it. I am all for alternative fuels or modes of transportation. We really have no use in the long-term for our current mode of transportation.

Nah, it was in a magazine.

The containers are filled with ionised metal filings. The car is powered by the filings de-ionising, and when you're finished with a canister, you go to a service station and swap it over for another, just like current day BBQ gas bottles.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Are they trying to make those things as ugly as possible?

Exactly.

I understand that earlier on, it was all the rage to stylize these things as uniquely (i.e., as ugly) as possible in order to distinguish them from the standard internal combustion dependent machine, but there's no reason to keep dressing them up this way now that everyone has apparently gotten the point.

It seems that someone finally got the clue, as Nissan decided to start manufacturing hybrids that look like actual cars.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Nah, it was in a magazine. The containers are filled with ionised metal filings. The car is powered by the filings de-ionising, and when you're finished with a canister, you go to a service station and swap it over for another, just like current day BBQ gas bottles.

This sounds like a fantastic concept. Do you remember the magazine name? I am really intrigued by this.

Did it require a specific type of metal?

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Exactly. I understand that earlier on, it was all the rage to stylize these things as uniquely (i.e., as ugly) as possible in order to distinguish them from the standard internal combustion dependent machine, but there's no reason to keep dressing them up this way now that everyone has apparently gotten the point. It seems that someone finally got the clue, as Nissan decided to start manufacturing hybrids that look like actual cars.

There is a reason that the Prius has the design it does. It has a very low drag coefficient. One that is right up there with Porsche 911's. That is part of the equation for high mileage.

Porsche 997 911 GT3 = .32 and 2001 Prius = .29.

********: I created a thread with a topic...something of which yours has nothing to do with. Shut up with your stupid fucking posts.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel There is a reason that the Prius has the design it does. It has a very low drag coefficient. One that is right up there with Porsche 911's. That is part of the equation for high mileage. Porsche 997 911 GT3 = .32 and 2001 Prius = .29.

Sorry, all I saw was:



Facts mean nothing to me.

Doesn't the engine switch to gas power once you go over 60km/h? Which would mean it's really only beneficial for city driving, right?

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Originally posted by jennypie Doesn't the engine switch to gas power once you go over 60km/h? Which would mean it's really only beneficial for city driving, right?

You are correct. Which in a lot of places, makes it pretty much useless as a hybrid. In most of California, we are going 120km/h on the freeways.

So basically it's stupid then, right?

Ben- I thank you for the new sig.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Nah, it was in a magazine. The containers are filled with ionised metal filings. The car is powered by the filings de-ionising, and when you're finished with a canister, you go to a service station and swap it over for another, just like current day BBQ gas bottles.

New Scientist I think.

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Originally posted by ******** the $10,000 rebate in ontario for electric very much ties into hybrid vehicles also the train thing applies too but its not just the engine. It will go there because it allows more control and enforcement - highways are already being monitored. It is just one of the steps. Hybrids won't pay but with rebates like 10k they can be very cost effective for the individual see: http://www.wheredoesallmymoneygo.co...-electric-cars/

That wasn't the point of this thread. You are now on ignore for being too fucking annoying with your schizo posts.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Sorry, all I saw was: [IMG]h.ttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p233/Paradox_Lost/2503814131_c5e4776f24.jpg[/IMG] Facts mean nothing to me.

lol I never said it was a hot car. I just said it had a purpose. Is it that hard to get? Fuck.

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Originally posted by jennypie So basically it's stupid then, right?

In their current form yes. This was part of my whole original post. With most locomotives (the diesel-electric hybrid types) (I am going to assume, but not with any certainty, this will include Canada too) they are diesel-electric, but the diesel motor is used only for power generation. It is not used as a means to move the train, unlike with our car hybrids.

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Originally posted by The17sss Ben- I thank you for the new sig.

lol np. I am so sick of that motherfuckers posts being so fucking off topic that it is insanely pointless to read. I have already quit reading his posts.

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Originally posted by Domesticated New Scientist I think.

Cool, thanks! I will try to find it.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol I never said it was a hot car. I just said it had a purpose. Is it that hard to get? Fuck.

Actually, I think it may be more of the obnoxious culture that's built around hybrids that irks me more than the designs of the cars themselves.

Then again, I'm San Francisco, so I suspect I get a greater dose of it than many others.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Actually, I think it may be more of the obnoxious culture that's built around hybrids than the designs of the cars themselves. Then again, I'm San Francisco, so I suspect I get a greater dose of it than many others.

No, we get a massive dose of it here in OC too. Lots of obnoxious people think they are the fucking god of cars. Little to do they realize how uninformed they really are.

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