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Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 03:13:

What would you do.. (1210's/cdj800s)

I'm not trying to flog a dead horse here or anything but I'm just curious. I've recently been having thoughts of selling my 1210's.

I don't really want to if I'm honest with myself as I've always enjoyed playing on them. But for the last few years I've been using Serato and Traktor and never ever play vinyl on them any more.

There's no way I could afford to buy cdj1000's so the 800's are the only option I'm considering. I'm just wondering whether there's any point in me splashing what will probably cost me an additional 500euro after selling my 1210s.

Using CDj's to manipulate the time code cd's, is it tighter/easier to move the cd's in smaller increments. Would there be any other added benefit apart from the fact that I could play cd's as well?

I dunno, I'm not 100% convinced that I'd have more fun on the 800's but I've never played on CDJ's before and would think using these would give me much needed practice before I finally play out somewhere.

End of the day I love using my 1210's, rocking up to a house party with them is always great fun and people seem to enjoy seeing them as much as I enjoy using them. I guess I might just have 'the itch' for something new.

penny for your thoughts?

nelly


Posted by AnomalyConcept on Jul-30-2009 03:36:

Don't.

If you're already using Serato, you might as well continue. If you really want to play on CDs, you could play it off of the CD drive with Serato (I think it supports this feature). I think it's much more enjoyable to play on turntables than CDs, and I'd stick with what you have since it's sufficient for your purposes.

You do have a valid point about playing out, though. I'm sure most everywhere have CDJs, and they are much less of a fuss and less maintenance- a big plus for venues.

I know I'm not really adding much about the technical aspects of CDJs and Serato, but I'd go with what your gut feeling is. I would see if I could try CDJs out to see if it scratches your itch or to see if you really like them.


Posted by Tony Morello on Jul-30-2009 03:59:

keep the techs

if they're not in the booth, they should be in the building somewhere if you play out, most places will be able to hook up the TTs if you ask them to beforehand

if you want to learn to play on cdjs, swap tables with someone that has them for a little bit to learn the ins and outs, or just go buy a pair of 200's, that's what i did

tech 1200's are the best choice a dj can make, mine are never going anywhere


Posted by woscar on Jul-30-2009 04:02:

Also, if you sell your Techs, you'd be giving up on a LOT of vinyl-only releases.

BTW, what type of music do you play? I don't think I've ever heard a set from you, n3lly.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-30-2009 04:13:

Awww, Nelly what are you thinking?

Next thing you'll be selling yer vestax for a pioneer!

In all honestly, you'll miss your techs.
I run both techs and 800 mk2's and even though I love my 800's, I'd miss my tech too much.

The 800's are tight and feel good, but the tactile relationship is just no the same techs. If you ditch the 1200's you'll always be missing something....


Posted by orTof�nChiLd on Jul-30-2009 04:37:

Don't ditch the Tech 12's, there's something about them thats very desirable, I guess its the analogue feel. When i use cd players, the music feels boring and the stereo width feels lower.


Posted by Waterproofpaper on Jul-30-2009 04:41:

As i switched to a pure midi setup, i miss my techs more and more. Now that im fairly proficient with most setups, vinyl is the one i miss the most. Ill probably end up getting a pair of technics mk2s sometime soon to accompany my 4d.. its just so much easier controlling the tracks.

This is coming from a guy who prefers CDJs too haha!


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 11:33:

Hi lads,

Thanks for all the replies.

I guess it's a no brainer so. I'll keep em. Always liked the fact that they were the MK3D's as well so I never really wanted to get rid of them as it was difficult enough finding a good pair (at the time 5 years ago).

Sometimes I just felt that the timecode vinyl wasn't giving me enough control, you'd rub the record but it wouldn't adjust accordingly etc etc. All part of the fun i suppose but annoying when you want to make the smallest of increments.

Having said that and on the plus side, I've started to ride the pitch a lot more and find it relatively easy these days which is great.

As I don't have the money and I'm about to go back to Uni for my second undergraduate (don't ask!) I'll save my money and keep the techs

DJRANN - Haven't been playing on the vestax for a while, it's just sitting in a box at this stage and yes i've been tempted to sell that too. Although I'd probably only get around 175 euro for it.

WOSCAR - I'm in the process up building a new website to host my mixes. I've only recorded about 10 at this stage as I only started recording some around the end of may. I mainly spin Tech House/Progressive with a lot of Tribal techy stuff creeping through at the moment as well, can't get enough of it.

Here's one set my mates seem to like.

RIGHT CLICK ME


Cheers for all the comments lads, as always much appreciated.

Steve


Posted by AnomalyConcept on Jul-30-2009 12:36:

Kind of an off-topic comment, but if you were considering selling your techs, I would wait until 6-12 months after 'DJ Hero' is released. I'm sure there would be more demand from wannabe DJs then...

And then 3 months after that you could pick up a pair of cheap 1200's because the supply exceeds the demand of the market.


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 13:00:

quote:
Originally posted by AnomalyConcept
Kind of an off-topic comment, but if you were considering selling your techs, I would wait until 6-12 months after 'DJ Hero' is released. I'm sure there would be more demand from wannabe DJs then...

And then 3 months after that you could pick up a pair of cheap 1200's because the supply exceeds the demand of the market.


Very true mate, didn't even think about that.

Although as you can see from above, think I'll be holding on to them. Until I can actually afford to buy some CDJ's straight out without selling something else I own.

Who knows maybe the Dj Booth will pick up with all these new Dj Hero users


Posted by TranceOwnsLol on Jul-30-2009 13:18:

keep the techs. honestly, even CDJ 400s are better than 800s imo. main reason I got the 400s are that it's a bit cheaper and that it can ipods/USB devices. when I'm just chilling out I don't have to use my ipod dock anymore I just plug up my ipod to my CDJs and have a superior sound system to any ipod dock in the market.

the only real difference 400s and 800s have technically is the larger jog wheel. unless you scratch, it won't matter since you can get the same precision in cueing with the search << >> buttons which I love using and are in the 400s, 800s and 1000s.

You have tech 1210s and a Xone 92 along with serato + laptop right? That's the perfect setup imo. Except maybe I prefer traktor scratch.


Posted by Lunar Phase 7 on Jul-30-2009 13:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Tony Morello
keep the techs

if they're not in the booth, they should be in the building somewhere if you play out, most places will be able to hook up the TTs if you ask them to beforehand

if you want to learn to play on cdjs, swap tables with someone that has them for a little bit to learn the ins and outs, or just go buy a pair of 200's, that's what i did

tech 1200's are the best choice a dj can make, mine are never going anywhere


Your problem is you just can't let go of old shit.


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 14:00:

I know what you mean about hooking your ipod up to your cdj400's. I have mine hooked up to my xone sometimes as well.

I used to own Serato, but nearly a year ago I switched to TSP.
And just before that my Vestax PCV 275 was replaced by the xone92.
Then i bought the DX2.

Here's a wee picture I uploaded recently (it's also in the bedroom thread). All this is in a 2 storey garage 30 foot away from my house so sessions are barely heard next door. Quite handy seeing as I'm still living at home.


Posted by miamitranceman on Jul-30-2009 14:58:

Yeah nelly, I'd def. keep the Techs at this point and just save up for a CDJ. I've got the 800mk2s and love them to death, but, yeah, I'd just add them on later.

BTW, you'd def. wanna get 800s over the 400s, just for scratching alone, especially if you're used to vinyl.


Posted by djsaekone on Jul-30-2009 15:03:

Main advantages with using the cdj's is the size, the loop buttons and the fact that you can pause and cue a specific point without having to keep your hand on the record.

The vinyl mode on the 800s is pretty responsive also.

--peace


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 15:04:

quote:
Originally posted by miamitranceman
Yeah nelly, I'd def. keep the Techs at this point and just save up for a CDJ. I've got the 800mk2s and love them to death, but, yeah, I'd just add them on later.

BTW, you'd def. wanna get 800s over the 400s, just for scratching alone, especially if you're used to vinyl.


This seems to be the consensus. If i were to buy a cdj now it would be the 800. Not a fan of the 400's. The platter is just too small for me.

Great response to this thread. Thanks a million lads.


Posted by Jarvmeister on Jul-30-2009 15:38:

The sad fact is, (as seen in my other post on this forum) that if you'd purchased your CDJs this time last year you'd have had the 1000s for the same price as the 800s are today, give or take a few quid.


Posted by woscar on Jul-30-2009 16:58:

quote:
Originally posted by AnomalyConcept
Kind of an off-topic comment, but if you were considering selling your techs, I would wait until 6-12 months after 'DJ Hero' is released. I'm sure there would be more demand from wannabe DJs then...

And then 3 months after that you could pick up a pair of cheap 1200's because the supply exceeds the demand of the market.




Fucking genius!


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 17:13:

If anyone had some money around they should really just buy a bunch of them. Bit of a gamble but could pay off

Although I'd say the margins will be so small it wouldn't be worth it.

End of the day I'm not sure whether a Dj Hero player would want to buy the industry standard kit or splash out on a 100� belt drive turntable because they don't know any better...


Posted by amp3 on Jul-30-2009 17:30:

quote:
Originally posted by n3lly




RIGHT CLICK SAVE AS



Thanks for the link, good stuff man. Reminds me a little of nightmares on wax


Posted by woscar on Jul-30-2009 17:35:

If there's anything this world isn't missing is wankers and people with too much money

I remember a thread here in the DJ Booth not too long ago started by a total noob with absolutely no experience asking how to hook up his brand new CDJ1000s and his Xone92.


Posted by Ryan0751 on Jul-30-2009 17:36:

I'll throw my hat in and say keep the Techs.

400's would make more sense with their native HID support in Serato and Traktor Scratch Pro. Also, Pioneer is likely announcing new players in a month or two (they've mentioned a "revolutionary" product coming in September).

If you are feeling the itch to buy something, maybe add on a MIDI controller or try out Traktor Scratch...


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 17:38:

quote:
Originally posted by amp3
Thanks for the link, good stuff man. Reminds me a little of nightmares on wax


Cheers, haven't heard that association before

The name of the set/s is a piss take between myself and my mates. I never intended to share these. Unfortunately all my mates call me nelly (last name Neligan) and I think we've got more than enough nelly's out there. So I think I'll just go with my name (Steven Neligan, or SteveN)


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-30-2009 17:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan0751
I'll throw my hat in and say keep the Techs.

400's would make more sense with their native HID support in Serato and Traktor Scratch Pro. Also, Pioneer is likely announcing new players in a month or two (they've mentioned a "revolutionary" product coming in September).

If you are feeling the itch to buy something, maybe add on a MIDI controller or try out Traktor Scratch...


Interested to see the new products from pioneer too - it turns out that financially they are on the ropes and they really can't afford a dud product. It better be great, and affordable.

400's missed the mark though because they didn't use the same platter as the 800 or 1000. I wouldn't buy them now as I reckon it will be one of the one they soon discontinue.

Nelly - good for you - stick with the techs.

As for just pitch mixing, just ban yourself from touching the platter altogether. I mean it, just DO NOT TOUCH THE PLATTER. Your mixing will suffer for a couple of weeks and it will make you pissed off but then suddenly it will click and you'll never look back.

What mixer are you using now then?


Posted by n3lly on Jul-30-2009 18:30:

Rann, The picture above is my set up.

2 x 1210 MK3D
Xone 92
MBP
TSP
Faderfox DX2
Senn HD25

As you can see Ryan I've already got a midi controller so I'm all set in that department.

Will be interesting to see what Pioneer bring out.


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