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which supplement is the best?
i am planning to to get nitro-tech and cell-tech they are the best product available on the market today.
fuck that stuff. You dont need it.
Nitrotech is by far the best protein/nitrogen supplement I have ever taken. I have been taking it for over 2 years and have stacked it with HMB,4-ANDROSTENEDIOL,and Creatine(not CELLTECH I personally think its burns the throat and creates more water retention than other creatine products! I
"I recommend the Creatine, the Ma Huang, and the Joe Weider protein drinks."
I prefer EAS creatine(phosphagen) they are finer grade and much easier on the body than other creatine products.Nitrotech is also very easy on body as where other Nutrition companys make protein supplements that turn your stomach into a rock if you do more than 2 scoops a day (I take 4 scoops of Nitrotech a day with no cramping!not to mention you are getting the nitrogen delivery system.As far as other supplements go if you have alot of xtra cash laying around and I do mean alot! check out VPX products they make a testosterone ester product called 1-TEST which is just one molecule short of the real deal which actually converts to real testosterone once in side of the body. This product is the closest thing to juice on the market right now and does work with no side effects and noticable size a week after starting!.The only downside you ask? 15 day supply will run you about 130-150 dollars U.S.
what the diffrent between nitro-tech and cell-tech?
How long have you been workin out bro? Why do you think you need this
CELLTECH=highly advanced creatine delivery system does it work well? yes if you can handle the spicey acidic aftertaste and xtra water retention/ I find that other creatine products work just as well and are less expensive Phosphagen by EAS tastes like koolaid and goes down easy while other creatine powders and products go down like a swallowing sand mixed with glass(yuck!).
NITROTECH= This product I firmly believe in You get 23 grams of advanced whey protein per scoop with a patented nitrogen delivery system only Muscletech can bring. This is my main staple in my bodybuilding arsenal I am up to 4 scoops a day with no cramping or upset stomach. I have tried pretty much everything out there as far as protein supplementation and the end result usually is it either tastes like dog vomit or lays like a cement block in your stomach if you do more than 2 scoops a day. I have been lifting seriously for about 6 years now besides Trance the gym is my other passion in life.
Give Muscletech's Nitrotech a try I'm pretty sure you will get hooked as quickly as I did as far as CELLTECH goes If you can handle the taste it might be a killer stack otherwise go for EAS Phosphagen works just as well and also a little cheaper as well
Peace,Love,Respect-Anthony
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| Originally posted by Orbax fuck that stuff. You dont need it. |
this is approx 5 months of working out. You really dont need stuff. You will be working out for the next 10 years probably. think of what you can be in that time. The only quick and easy way to do it is work your ass off. Which you HAVE to do to utilize creatine and similair products. If you dont work out as hard as you can you wont use it and any gains will be what you do naturally
i though Creatine has been proven to cause cancer
Creatine does not cause cancer nor does it produce any type of kidney damage when used properly. Doctors have done recent studies proving that body builders can use up to 3 grams of creatine a day without any negative side effects or any stress on liver or kidneys.Taking any more than that is not doing any good and to be quite honest is only increasing the value of your urine and putting stress on kidneys. Creatine is already produced naturally in our bodys.
Orbax: Is that your pic?
Special_K: Yes there was a study which supposedly linked creatine to cancer but since it has been regarde as very unreliable.
As for supplements, yes nothing beats real food but supplements ae quite helpful as it is very hard to eat get the 1 gram/pound of protien which is generally recommended for those in rigorous weight training programs. The first thing to do is get a milk based protein (whey or casein). Whey based proteins are best for use immediately after trainig as they tend to create in influx of amino acids when you need it (always eat fast digesting proteins and high glycemic carbs w/in 30 mins. of training) while casein is better for more endurance as its aminos are slowly absorbed.
Creatine and glutamine are also valuable supplements. Add in multivitamin and you're set. Everything else is more or less peripheral.
Oh yeah, don't forget that all the supplements won't do you any good unless you train hard and get plenty of rest as well.
yeah
thats 5 months of workin out
From what i take it, when u say body building supplements you mean the products where u put x amount of spoonfuls into drinks stir and then drink yeah? if not then disregard all below :P
Basically all the drinks are doing are increasing the level of protein in your body. proteins will just give you more energy and in no way shape or form, will they make your muscles bigger or smaller etc. The way your muscles become bigger is through stretching them (via weights exercises/gym etc), and like a rubber band - if you stretch it extensively and release it, it doesn't reform its original shape. It appears not have the same elasticity as before. This is kind of how your muscles will work. You stretch them so that they lose that 'elasticity'(heavy resistance) and they become bigger. Now all the proteins are doing are providing you fuel/energy to do these extensive weight sessions (minimum 30mins). As it's been said before, you can get them via natural sources such as breads, cereals etc. There's no real difference in supplementing them via these 'muscle building drinks'(that they call themselves), however just be mindful of some drinks. Ask around, as you are doing here, to see if anyone else has used these drinks before etc. and their thoughts/opinions about it.
Now with creatine supplements, they're serving almost the same purpose as proteins in terms of fuel/energy. Creatine is already in our bodies and it is used in the processes of short exercises(8-10secs). What happens is molecules of ATP-PC (adensine triphosphate-phosphor creatine) split apart and that reaction releases heat + energy to the muscle. The reaction on itself doesn't create that much energy, but many of these reactions take place at the time of the exercise (say, doing one repetition of a heavy weight) giving the overall energy for the movement. The ATP-PC energy system is anaerobic (which means, without oxygen). So when you are doing your 1, 5, 10 etc reps. your muscles are performing that task without oxygen (however you still breathe because your brain + heart needs oxygen!). The reason you take a break between doing a 'set'(number of repetitions) is so that your body has time to replace the ATP-PC that was lost during the short burst of exercise. It usually takes 2 minutes for this to occur, however the more exercise you do in the one session the longer it progressively takes to replace the ATP-PC. Eg. a track sprinter, sprints 100m and might walk back to the starting line afterwards and repeat, because the time taken to walk back, set up to run again would take 2minutes or however long is needed to replace/produce ATP-PC molecules. If the sprinter has been doing this for 20 minutes, the time taken to replace his ATP-PC may be up to 4 or so minutes etc. All this adds up to creatine supplements reducing the amount of time you need to rest between sets.
Always remember though, too much of a good thing can be a bad thing!
I hope this has given you a little bit more understanding of the whole situation, i didnt intend to write as much as i did so i hope its of some use. If you're unsure of any bits just quote it etc and i'll try and explain it a bit better.
yeah, i have to agree with orbax.
you can do just fine without creatine. why waste the $$$ on it?
I have been working out every day for 10 months now (except weekends; cardio tues and thurs, resistance m/w/f) and my body is looking great without any.
My friend that I workout with used creatine for the first 2 months, and he didnt look any different from me, and we did the same routine.
Re: body building supplement
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| Originally posted by eternity4ever which supplement is the best? i am planning to to get nitro-tech and cell-tech they are the best product available on the market today. |
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| Originally posted by Matrix yeah, i have to agree with orbax. you can do just fine without creatine. why waste the $$$ on it? I have been working out every day for 10 months now (except weekends; cardio tues and thurs, resistance m/w/f) and my body is looking great without any. My friend that I workout with used creatine for the first 2 months, and he didnt look any different from me, and we did the same routine. |
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| Originally posted by Thor Creatine has been proven over and over as a very effective way to increase strength and mass.. Its also excellent at speeding up muscle recovery. |
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| Originally posted by Matrix My friend that I workout with used creatine for the first 2 months, and he didnt look any different from me, and we did the same routine. |
I used creatine for 2 months , it does wonders and all , but i drink to much beer which kills the creatine like 80% , i dont need suplements .
Hey, no matter what, be very careful with whatever supplement you take because in the long run you become ADDICTED. You create a mentality dependant on it.
Majority of supplements as such are known to cause so many health problems like liver dysfunction, kidney failure, strokes, etc etc. It's really bad. Why do you think many of them are not FDA approved and then taken off the shelves in a matter of months? Listen, just looking out for a brotha! 
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| Originally posted by sifntj0r ...proteins will just give you more energy and in no way shape or form, will they make your muscles bigger or smaller etc. The way your muscles become bigger is through stretching them (via weights exercises/gym etc), and like a rubber band - if you stretch it extensively and release it, it doesn't reform its original shape. It appears not have the same elasticity as before. |
I think it all boils down to how serious you are in the gym and what are your objectives and goals and how bad you want them. I myself train 6 days a week religiously without supplementation whey,casien,protein,creatine,tribulus,creatine,hmb,these to me are basics that anyone serious in the gym would not fully benefit without the use of. I also include almost 2 gallons of purified water a day to keep my body as clean as possible water.
As far as Muscle recovery supplements go(after your workout has ceased). L-glutamine,1-2 grams of creatine,and a scoop on Nitro-tech I have found that these 3 items aid in quickest muscle recovery not to mention the incredible pump you recieve the following moring after you have gotten a good 7-8 hours of sleep. Talk to any bodybuilder or fitness professional diet,nutrition,and supplementation is 70% of the battle the other 30 % proper form,technique,and maximun muscle resistance(pushing yourself to the limit physically& mentally. In my personal opinion going to the gym without supplementation is a waste of time you will never ever look your best! but again that is just my opinion.
Peace,Love,and Hairgrease
Run away from anything Muscle Tech makes, they have been caught lying on their labels a number of times... They are great at marketing but they are shady with their products.
Stick with quality names like EAS, Weider, etc.../Posted by Thor
Thor I think you need to become a little more educated about Muscletech before you make these statements.Besides EAS(Experiemental& Applied Sciences) Muscletech is one of the few Nutrition Companys who will send you an independant Lab Analysis on anyone of there products,basically showing you there products are 99.9 pecent pure while most other companys products come in like 95 pecent pure. Muscletech also uses top quality ingredients in all of there products where alot of other companys Optimum,Weider,etc. use cheaper methods to cut costs and supposibly save the customer money. The end result a poorly made supplement which tastes terrible,never works like it supposed to ,and harse on digestion. I know that they do Boost up some of there claims like there product being 3000 times stronger than others they have to compete with a billion other Nutrition companys out there so whatever strategys they use more power to em. Bottomline is Muscletech stacks work! and Nitrotech is my only protein/nitrogen supplement source. In the world of supplements and nutrition you really do get what you pay for!
OrZonE I don't think you have an adequete grasp of the english language my friend.
You said "Proteins, WILL NOT make your muscles smaller."
And I said "and in no way shape or form, will they(proteins) make your muscles bigger or smaller etc."
It's the same statement, and you've just argued a whole paragraph on the obvious.
You said "Second, your muscles DON'T become bigger by streching, they become STRECHED by streching."
I said "your muscles become bigger is through stretching them (via weights exercises/gym etc)" which was followed by the rubber band analogy. I could indeed say RIP, TEAR, EXPAND, STRETCH and in the context of the whole statement they all mean the exact same thing!
Again, it's the same concept in both statements and you've argued a paragraph on the issue
So by saying "Man, it looks like you really don't know what you're talking about.", seeing as our concepts are exactly the same(and right for that matter), if I dont know what I'm on about, then neither do you!
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